Guest Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 I remember my D.A.R.E education, cliff notes version, drugs are bad for you. Yet another high profile example, Lamar Oden. Found unconscious at a Nevada brothel. My first thought, he must have been smoking, snorting, huffing, puffing and slamming something. Just say no to drugs kids, we dont need anymore examples that its not good for you. https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/lamar-odoms-condition-is-being-treated-as-an-164613599.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malykaii Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 No one's expected to go strait edge either. Unlike, say birth control, Americans do accept a middle ground... And that's alcohol. Keep it simple kids, and have a beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotStock88 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 No one's expected to go strait edge either. Unlike, say birth control, Americans do accept a middle ground... And that's alcohol. Keep it simple kids, and have a beer. Alcohol is just a legal drug that can mess with your life just as easily as any other drug. Alcoholism is a disease and people look past this with a blind eye because getting drunk is accepted in our lifestyle. I am dealing with that addiction myself and what most people don't understand is that alcohol withdrawals are life threatening.... You can be a junkie on meth or heroin and recover without ever fearing death from the withdrawals... Alcohol is not so forgiving. Be safe and smart is the key here. Educate yourself and others around you is all I can do/say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preludedude Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Alcohol is just a legal drug that can mess with your life just as easily as any other drug. Alcoholism is a disease and people look past this with a blind eye because getting drunk is accepted in our lifestyle. I am dealing with that addiction myself and what most people don't understand is that alcohol withdrawals are life threatening.... You can be a junkie on meth or heroin and recover without ever fearing death from the withdrawals... Alcohol is not so forgiving. Be safe and smart is the key here. Educate yourself and others around you is all I can do/say Sticking to Conquest talk only.. Edited October 15, 2015 by Preludedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preludedude Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) No one's expected to go strait edge either. Unlike, say birth control, Americans do accept a middle ground... And that's alcohol. Keep it simple kids, and have a beer. Sticking to Conquest talk only.. Edited October 15, 2015 by Preludedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malykaii Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 ^No, there can not be a strait path. Strait Edge life can work for a few. (I was for years) However, many people need a middle ground. I've even known Muslims and Mormons who cave. Some people just need to get their kick on and unwind. Better it be a few beers with happy hour over pills at a rave, no? We can't just take stimulants away from people, they will get a fix elsewhere... such as gambling. Education helps, but even then, we all know that dumb person who will always make poor choices regardless of all your efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malykaii Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Disease? People give themselves diseases now? It's an addiction that's self inflicted by poor choices.... I don't think anyone means self inliction and poor choices are technically a disease. The "disease" part is where some people's body's have an issue with control. I'm extreme cases people can become adicted to anything that provides satisfaction... Even down to pornography and hoarding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotStock88 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Disease? People give themselves diseases now? It's an addiction that's self inflicted by poor choices...."The modern disease theory of alcoholism states that problem drinking is sometimes caused by a disease of the brain, characterized by altered brain structure and function. The American Medical Association (AMA) had declared that alcoholism was an illness in 1956." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntercooledFlatty Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preludedude Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) I don't think anyone means self inliction and poor choices are technically a disease. The "disease" part is where some people's body's have an issue with control. I'm extreme cases people can become adicted to anything that provides satisfaction... Even down to pornography and hoarding. Sticking to Conquest talk only.. Edited October 15, 2015 by Preludedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preludedude Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) "The modern disease theory of alcoholism states that problem drinking is sometimes caused by a disease of the brain, characterized by altered brain structure and function. The American Medical Association (AMA) had declared that alcoholism was an illness in 1956." Sticking to Conquest talk only.. Edited October 15, 2015 by Preludedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotStock88 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Why is someones brain altered? Because they used and got accustomed to and built a tolerance for it...Its not an illness, its an addiction, brought on your own self by your own poor choices...Im not typing this being arrogant or snide, but lets call it like it is. I even see some sites saying its "hereditary"...That's foolish.... Please elaborate how you came to the conclusion that alcoholism as a hereditary disease is "foolishness". I am very curious to hear what you have to say on this. Being your an expert in this subject you clearly must have done extensive research and/or studies on alcoholism as a disease along with human genetics. Maybe you can educate us as to where you studied and came to your master theory. I can post my thesis paper on this but to be honest I don't think you bother to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preludedude Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Please elaborate how you came to the conclusion that alcoholism as a hereditary disease is "foolishness". I am very curious to hear what you have to say on this. Being your an expert in this subject you clearly must have done extensive research and/or studies on alcoholism as a disease along with human genetics. Maybe you can educate us as to where you studied and came to your master theory. I can post my thesis paper on this but to be honest I don't think you bother to read it. Sticking to Conquest talk only.. Edited October 15, 2015 by Preludedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntercooledFlatty Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 i have an addiction, and the only cure is....... MORE COWBELL ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Cary Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Why drink alcohol anyways? You drink to much you puke, die, feel like crap the next day. Smoke weed instead. All natural, just makes you hungry, you'll pass out and sleep then wake up fine, everything is funny, you'll lose anger towards little things. Seems weed has more of a benefit. Other drugs are no good. The hard stuff should be taken out completely. No one should go through addiction to that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psu_Crash Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Roll your own, grab a couple cold ones on occasion and life is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4WStarion Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Drugs the Doctor prescribes are not bad then? Sugar? Caffeine? How long until the fatties say food is a drug? Aren't some states legalising pot?, but its a drug! made illegal worldwide because some American with good persuasive skills convinced everyone. So I've just convinced myself that drugs are good and like everything moderation is the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasQuest Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) I'm not surprised. That guy has been wheels off since his days with the Lakers. Cocaine and boner pills, what a combo! Edited October 16, 2015 by TexasQuest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Why drink alcohol anyways? You drink to much you puke, die, feel like crap the next day. Smoke weed instead. All natural, just makes you hungry, you'll pass out and sleep then wake up fine, everything is funny, you'll lose anger towards little things. Seems weed has more of a benefit. Other drugs are no good. The hard stuff should be taken out completely. No one should go through addiction to that stuff. I have a problem with this ideology. Not picking on you directly but rather the prevailing ideology among marijuana supporters that "weed is good", that it's safe and natural. I have a problem with the methods in which its being legalized as "medicinal" and good for you and the manner in which its being distributed as "medicine". We have new generations of young Americans growing up with the ideology that marijuana is the miracle plant that combats or cures cancer, glicoma, adhd and what ever other dieseases they would like to believe. There is absolutely nothing natural about modern marijuana. It is a much different drug than back in the flower power days and even early 90's. Also, the belief that its non addicting is the biggest load of bull doo doo I've ever heard. Now before ya'll start accusing me of being a "Reefer Madness", I have an extensive personal experience with marijuana. I was a smoker for many years. I know exactly what it does. I've been around the block a few times and back so I base my opinion of personal observations. Modern marijuana is quite potent and produces much stronger, longer lasting highs than before. Todays marijuana is anything but natarul. I've been inside growing operations, they use a lot of damgerous chemicals to alter the plant and create a stronger product. Smoking it? You really believe that's not gonna cause cancer down the line? I know guys who have been smoking 30 plus years who are now experiencing various medical conditions due to marijuana smoking. Addiction? I have heard smokers for ages talking about how its not addictive like other drugs and alcohol. That, is a load of BS as well. Again, guys I know who just cant give it up even after losing jobs, family, friends. Everything in moderation if course. But some human beings have little self control and even those that believe they do, eventually find themselves up poop creek. Edited October 16, 2015 by louswheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo Cary Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Louswheel I have grown marijuana and other plants hydroponically and it is in no way altered by the chemicals. Hydroponics use all chemicals found in nature, the growing medium is water and not soil. A proper hydroponic grower of good knowledge will "flush" the plants before harvest. Meaning no chemicals strictly water for a week or two. The end result is a much higher yield and less failure rate than growing in soil. With soil I faced numerous challenges such as bugs, root bound/lock, difficult and slow reacting pH altering, mess, etc. In regards to addiction, everyone's levels are different. I used to smoke a lot when I was a teenager. Now I smoke a gram of weed every week or two. Hardly any. I take a puff off the bowl, put it out and relax. I have quit numerous times in order to get jobs, get off probation, just desire to realign my state of mind. I have seen my friends however spend countless money, lose out on job opportunities, get arrested, etc. If marijuana was legal they could get jobs while having THC in their urine. Alcoholics can get a job anytime but God forbid a marijuana user be recognized as a good employee. Should drugs or alcohol be used at the work place? Absolutely not and I think anyone who does as such be fired. But to punish many who smoke instead of drinking alcohol is wrong. There has to be a middle ground for pot as alcohol has. If you're too stoned to drive and you are swerving etc then of course get a DUI. Not to mention it takes away money from drug dealers, gangs, cartels and sends it instead to the state for improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Louswheel I have grown marijuana and other plants hydroponically and it is in no way altered by the chemicals. Hydroponics use all chemicals found in nature, the growing medium is water and not soil. A proper hydroponic grower of good knowledge will "flush" the plants before harvest. Meaning no chemicals strictly water for a week or two. The end result is a much higher yield and less failure rate than growing in soil. With soil I faced numerous challenges such as bugs, root bound/lock, difficult and slow reacting pH altering, mess, etc. In regards to addiction, everyone's levels are different. I used to smoke a lot when I was a teenager. Now I smoke a gram of weed every week or two. Hardly any. I take a puff off the bowl, put it out and relax. I have quit numerous times in order to get jobs, get off probation, just desire to realign my state of mind. I have seen my friends however spend countless money, lose out on job opportunities, get arrested, etc. If marijuana was legal they could get jobs while having THC in their urine. Alcoholics can get a job anytime but God forbid a marijuana user be recognized as a good employee. Should drugs or alcohol be used at the work place? Absolutely not and I think anyone who does as such be fired. But to punish many who smoke instead of drinking alcohol is wrong. There has to be a middle ground for pot as alcohol has. If you're too stoned to drive and you are swerving etc then of course get a DUI. Not to mention it takes away money from drug dealers, gangs, cartels and sends it instead to the state for improvements. I believe time will tell the effects of modern marijuana. While there maybe ethical growers such as yourself, there are alot more who are not and I have seen it first hand. That is one of the many challenges with marijuana, growth practices. I also see a problem with the whole "medical" movement as I think it is highly abused and "patients" can subjectively claim whatever "illness" to gain access to it. I see advertisements blatantly advertising doctors who will prescribe marijuana after a basic "consultation". There is a generation of kids who feel entitlted to claim illness to gain access to medical marijuana when they have nothing wrong with them. Give it time, but discriminatory lawsuits will arise from so called "patients" who will claim they were discriminated and unfairly denied employment due to their choice of medication for their illness. If it has not already happened. As far as being denied employment for marijuana usage during personal time, there are certain types of employments that should require drug free personnel. I certainly would not want my surgeon to work on me after being high or having had been high earlier. Edited October 16, 2015 by louswheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) And the argument that legalizing it will take the money out of the hands of the cartels and seedy drug dealers, not in the current ways it is being regulated. Co-ops and dispensaries can't keep up with demand. The cartels are still in business, just now they have store fronts. All these businesses are strictly cash only, alot of room for corruption. Now, I'm not an opponent to legalizing it. Just an opponent of the current regulations and even more so of prevailing ideologies that "weed is good". Lets face it, marijuana is a drug. Just like prescrition meds, alcohol and other drugs have ill effects, so does marijuana. I hate it when I hear young people saying how many ways marijuana is good for you, I hate how its idolized by so many. Edited October 18, 2015 by louswheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRO Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Man,,, this is the BS page right here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanillagorilla Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Cocaine and boner pills, what a combo! This would make a great T Shirt or bumper sticker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_insanity Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 I heard they were going to need a special casket for the dude if he dies. Something about not being sure all the boner pills will be worn off by the time he dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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