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  2. I was originally Considering turbo but I'm trying to be as budget conscious as possible. I wanna get it running and driving before I invest more. Thanks for the welcome! I'll occupy some time reading through the wiring diagrams I found here Is there a thread specifying how to remove all the body panels so I can treat the rust underneath them? I don't want to start paying away not knowing if there's a trick to them.
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  4. Well ... I'm back to where I was before. Window worked great for few weeks and now it's stuck down again. I disassembled the switch again, but I didn't find any issues. I think it's the window regulator motor. I have to pull it out to test it for sure. Bad news is I checked Rockauto and they are NLA so I'm gonna have to find one somewhere if that indeed is the issue. Always something with this car, good thing I like it.
  5. Installed. So far so good. We have headlights. 🙂
  6. Nice work definitely looks interesting. Can't wait to see the results.
  7. Welcome. Interesting swap plan, most go with a turbo 6 or v8. You lucked out it being an auto trans car. The transmission tunnel is a little wider on the auto cars so it makes swaps a little easier. Any questions just ask away.
  8. Hey all. I see a lot of good activity here I'm glad there's a support forum for this vehicle. I fell in love with a marketplace basket case roller and I'm about to embark on the journey to get her driving for the first time in 15years. I bought an auto 88, yellow, lots of body rust but the frame is solid (except the driver side torque arm mount (I think that's what it is)) Missing a few trim pieces too. Plan is to drop a carbureted Chevy 4.3 mated to a 200-4R (it's what I got) I don't want to tear the thing apart because aside from the scent, the interior is pretty nice. I'll be looking for some articles on wiring diagrams (edit - found the manual link. SCORE! THANK YOU!!) I'll also need to figure out how to remove all the trim so I can make a halfway decent effort of painting the thing. Probably gonna do a respray of the factory yellow color because I think it looks fantastic. Apologies in advance to the purists, I'm not going to put the 4 banger back in and the previous owner notched the front crossmember so it's far and away from a legit restore. Plan is to make it drive, make her pretty. Thanks for letting me in, I'm looking forward to learning a lot here.
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  10. You are moving really fast. While I won't be going this route, it's interesting to see. Looking forward to continued progress!
  11. Looking for excellent condition automatic transmission 87-89. Anybody got one for sale. Thanks. Jason
  12. I was pretty surprised to see this pop up, it’s rare to see such a nice flatty for sale these days, only the second one listed on BaT. It’s hard to imagine this isn’t one of the better examples left out there - very cool, especially with the digital dash. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mitsubishi-starion-2/
  13. Fair warning,…if you’re a purist, you might wanna skip this one. There is reckless butchery, and minimal concern for the possibility of returning anything to “ the way it was” . I started with a really nice low mile cluster.Low mile in this instance is 72100 miles. *Pay no attention to the crime scene in the background,… I tend to have multiple things going on all at once, and never put back anything until I can’t find nothing. Even though the gauges are branded as a Jegs product, I knew it was probably made by intellitronix. I’ve had these gauges in other cars, and for the price, you simply cannot buy an American made 6 gauge panel with a GPS speedo for anywhere near this price. I paid 399.00 There are many reasons for the change here, but the main ones are I don’t trust factory gauges, I’m concerned about the factory tach working with the MS ecu, and the factory fuel sending unit impedance isn’t compatible with anything aftermarket. This panel lets me select for any domestic and aftermarket fuel sender with dip switches. I realize that requires I change out the sending unit to accommodate, but that tank has to come out for the fuel pump upgrade anyway. Now for the puke in your mouth moment… What you’re seeing is a layer of fiberglass resin floated on top of a 1/8” backer board. When it’s completely dry, I’ll cut the oval out of the center to allow the gauge panel to peek through. The entire surface will be covered with a piece of tinted Lexan. The white plastic housing behind there is gutted, ( and looks like bloody hell). I’m keeping it to keep everything else mountable when it comes time to reinstall it. Presently waiting on the Lexan to complete this, should be here by the weekend.
  14. With the throttle shaft back in place we can begin to reassemble the lower portion of the TB. Before you do that though, make sure you have everything you need. I'd highly recommend you replace the majority of the hardware on the TB. I just ran out to Home Depot and picked up some grab bags in the metric section. Here's what I bought: You also want to pick up the GP gasket set I mentioned previously. And, you definitely want to pick up the FelPro version of the TB gasket as well. You can see the FelPro gasket on the right has a coating on that helps it to seal better. The one in the GP kit has leaked on me in the past and I've had to rip everything apart again. So, do it right the first time. Before we can use the gasket rebuild kit though, it was time to rewind the throttle spring. You want to slide the spring back on and make sure the little J-shaped hook grabs on the metal piece shown below. Then just simply wind until your painted-on line reappears. Here's that hook again from another angle. Once it's wound, put your 12mm back on and tighten down. With the spring rewound it's time to bust into that gasket kit and put the gasket that goes between the upper and lower TB sections in place. Now it's to tighten down the two halves. I used fresh M5 -.8 x 16mm Allen heads. Highly recommend, can easily be removed with a T-handle allen wrench later if need be. Plus, they look waaay nicer. Here's where we're at with our two halves back together and the spring back on. Next I reattached all the various brackets. I cleaned them up as best I could on my wire wheel first and then clear-coated them to prevent them from rusting. Some more of those new screws: Next I mounted the ISC back onto the housing using 5 new 8mm hex head machine screws. And here is the lower half rebuilt from two slightly different angles. The very last piece of all this to put our fuel top hat back together. I decided to send mine out to Chad here on the board to have it machined out for domestic injectors. Whether you do this or not, the process of rebuild is pretty much the same. In OEM form the top injector housing is a bit narrower and has screens down inside. Be careful not to damage the screens. Chad's modification machines this area out slightly and eliminates the screens. This is mine after having it powdercoated to match the rest of the TB assembly. First, we're going to start by installing the dampener diaphragm. You want to make sure you install this thing the right direction. There are 2 DIFFERENT sides to it. You want to install it so that side #1 is facing toward you like so: Next, there's an o-ring from your GP kit that goes on the cap. Find that and carefully slip it over. Hopefully you didn't misplace your spring, b/c we're going to drop that in next. Tighten everything down with an 8mm nutdriver. Now we're going to remount that Fuel Pressure Regulator (FPR). Here again I'm going to deviate from stock and install a Trilogy adjustable FPR. This particular unit mounts in the stock location though, so the process is the same. The 3rd option is you can pick up an adjustable FPR from FuelLab or Aeromotive or some other company like that and do a custom setup. There are two small gaskets in your kit that go on the FPR. You want to install them here and here: Reinstall in on the housing with the 3 8mm nuts and tighten everything down with your nut driver again. Now's its time to look at the injectors. Good stock injectors are getting harder and harder to find. Most of them have failed over the last 30 years, and many many many of them leak. If you want to chance it, you can send them out to be tested, but it cost money of course and there's no guarantee yours are good. Sometimes you can get lucky and find them F/S on the board here. Other options do exist. Trilogy and FIC make replacement Mitsu style injectors for these cars. They are often listed on eBay and can found on here as well. I believe I was told once the Trilogy injectors are just re-badged FIC's. You can even buy the injectors and FPR from Trilogy as a package deal. If you have your injector housing machined out, then you can run domestic injectors and have many more replacement options. I went with the latter of course b/c I had my housing modified to fit domestics. I will cover both OEM and Domestic injector installation next. I'll start with my Domestic Injector build first. I picked up these injectors from Verocious Motorsports. They are 95lb and 55lb injectors respectively. Chad provided the hardware and the two o-rings you see to the right in addition to the machining he did. You might remember at the top of this topic the first thing we did was remove those awful screws Mitsu had in there from the factory. Do NOT re-install them. Get a nice set of allen key screws M6 - 1.0 x 20mm is the OEM size. You'll need longer ones, maybe 25mm, with spacers if you go with the FIC's or Trilogy's. I believe Trilogy provides them if you buy from them. I also wrapped the corresponding "green" injector with green electrical tape just to make sure I installed it in the correct position. If you go with Domestic injectors, the lower two gaskets aren't necessary in this setup, so rather than risk them coming off on their own and ending up in the motor, remove them. All you need is the provided o-ring on the top that came with your injectors, and the o-ring seats provided by Chad. Gently push them down into the TB housing, and before you put the injector housing on, put some luby-lube on the o-rings. Now you can tighten down the injector housing with those new screws you got. You can see how the spacer makes up for the extra height of the injectors in this picture.
  15. I’m gonna use a “Cobra head” inlet hose to feed the TB and keep everything low profile . Stupid thing has to come from Sweden, good thing I’m not in a rush.
  16. Looks way better than the TEP intake manifold to me.
  17. My relays showed up today. Yeah! I'll have to get them installed and let you know guys if this solves the issue.
  18. rule of "looks about right" ... that's hysterical. Can't wait to see if this works for you. As long I've been on the board I've never seen anyone mock an intake up in that fashion before.
  19. After getting everything deconstructed I sent my TB out to be cleaned and powdercoated. You may choose to do the same or just clean yours up. You can soak it in a bucket of Simple Green or Purple Power. I can tell you from personal experience spray painting it will not last. The first time you get a fuel leak at the feed or return line, or have leaky injectors all the paint will shrivel up and be ruined. It's up to you, but definitely clean it up a bit. In addition to cleaning, you are going to need new shaft seals, a throttle rebuild kit (I recommend the GP available through DAD), a FelPro TB gasket, and anything else you may be replacing or upgrading. I chose to replace the fuel pressure regulator with an aftermarket Trilology model and replacement injectors. First thing we want to do is install the new shaft seals on the throttle body. Get your throttle shaft and throttle plate. Everything I've ever read recommends the use of a 9/16th socket, so that's what I used to carefully tap the first one in. We're only putting one in at this time on the side opposite the TPS mount. Before I just slid the shaft back in through the new seal I wanted to be sure everything was nice and clean and free of debris. So I wiped it all down with denatured alcohol. I also used assembly lube on the shaft to help from accidentally tearing the new seal. Maybe not necessary, but I was being cautious. Next you want to placed the teflon washer back in it's place on the TPS side. Do this BEFORE you slide the throttle shaft back in place. And then very carefully slide the shaft back into it's home. The teflon washer should sit under the cir-clip. The whole purpose of this washer is to keep the clip from digging into the soft metal of the TB. This is what it should look like on the throttle cable side where we already tapped in the shaft seal. In order to tap the 2nd shaft seal in place you'll have to rig up some blocks of scrap wood or something. Otherwise when you stand it on end it'll be standing on the throttle shaft and you'll be tapping on that which you don't want to do. Grab your 9/16th socket and tap the 2nd shaft seal in place. With the shaft back in place with 2 new shaft seals it's time to put the throttle plate back in position. Pay attention to the markings you made previously. I used some Threadlocker Blue on the threads of the throttle plate screws to help hold them in place. I'm not sure if red or blue would be better, but this is what I had. I can tell you the 2nd day I took my JIS screwdriver and tried to gently back them out and they didn't budge. Coat the screws and twist them back in place. The screw heads will eventually face the down toward the motor, opposite of what they are in the this picture. I still need to spin the throttle shaft 180 in the next two photos. (You call tell if you have shaft spun correctly by looking at the notch on the shaft for the TPS. It needs to facing up otherwise the TPS won't mount on and you'lll be 180 out.) And that's the installation of your NEW shaft seals .... all back together. Next we'll reassemble the Throttle body.
  20. The next thing we want to do is carefully remove the throttle spring. I would suggest taking some Testors paint and painting a line on the throttle spring so you can just match it up when you re-wind it. Beats having to count and all that. Remove the 12mm nut on the end and remove the linkages and the spring. You should be left with this. Before you take the throttle plate out, you want to label everything so it so goes back in the the proper orientation. I puts "B's" on the bottom for "bottom" and I used 3 lines to represent the side with the three vacuum lines on the TB. Now it's time to remove the butterfly screws so we can get the throttle plate out. I started by grinding off the staking on the backs of the screws. I used a small grinding bit in my dremel. Sorry the camera had a hard time focusing on this small item. Here's what it looked like for me. If you do this, be very careful to not nick up your throttle shaft too much. You can see I hit it in a few spots. More on that in a minute. You can see in this pic below that when I tried to remove the butterfly screw on the right w/ a regular screwdriver it started to cam-out immediately. So I stopped. They took a few weeks to show up b/c they literally came from Japan, but I ordered this set of JIS screwdrivers from Vessel. I highly recommend these as you'll find them useful for many other locations on the car. Once they arrived, I clamped the assembly down to my workbench with a wood clamp and grabbed my new screwdriver. Make sure you keep some downward pressure on the top of the driver. After a slight "pop", both of them spun right out. Once those two screws are out you should be able to slip the throttle plate out. Before you go ahead and slide the throttle shaft out, get out some emery cloth and lightly sand down the burs and scoring on the shaft so you don't do any damage while sliding it out. You don't want to score anything. Mine didn't move to well, it took a couple of light taps with a rubber mallet and it came right out. Once the shaft is out you want to immediately look for the teflon washer. Put that in a safe place till the rebuild. You'll now be able to remove the throttle shaft seals on each side. There's no need to try to save these on the way out, we're replacing them. I used a flat head screwdriver and popped mine out. And here's the whole entire reason we're doing this job in the first place. You can see that one of my shaft seals was totally shot.
  21. Over the next couple of days I'll be putting the Throttle Body Rebuilt thread back together. I was able to salvage a lot of it from the Wayback Machine. I just have to reattached the pictures I think. At the time of the Wayback capture this had over 9,000 views, so I figured it would be a valuable one to resurrect. ~techboy This is a step by step tutorial on how to tear down and rebuild the throttle body including the replacement of the throttle shaft seals. For those of you who have looked through my restoration thread, many of these pictures are the same, however in this thread I will go into more detail of what and how-to, whereas in my restoration thread I glossed over some things. Hopefully this helps a few people out in the years to come. Tools required for tear-down are pretty straight forward. You'll need a phillips head screwdriver, an 8mm nut driver or socket and maybe a pair of needle nose pliers. First, let's assume that the throttle body is off the car. If it's not, you'll want to remove it to do this procedure. Mitsubishi was actually kind in this area in that all 4 of the 12mm bolts holding the TB to the manifold are accessible. However, you will need to remove the fuel lines (feed and return), a few coolant lines and some vacuum lines. And, of course, you'll have to disconnect a few wiring harnesses related to the TB. Once it's off the car and on your bench you should be looking at this: Depending on how often things have been apart on your car this very first step could be your most difficult and make you want to abandon doing this altogether. You need to remove to the top two screws pictured below. They can be really frozen in there and I've read horror stories of them shearing off trying to get them off. Hopefully that doesn't happen to you and they come right out. There's very little room to get vise grips or anything of the like in there so you might want to soak them in PB Blaster and wait 24 hours. I WOULD NOT recommend putting these two back in, we'll talk about that more later. Once those two screws are out, the "top hat", or the fuel injector housing, should pop right off, it's only pressed onto the injectors. Once removed it should look like this: First, let's disassemble the pulsation dampener. Remove the two screws holding the cover on. Once you open this up there will be an o-ring, a spring, and a diaphragm-type gasket that will be replaced later on in the rebuild. OPTIONAL: Depending on what you plan to do with your rebuild you may be interested in adding a fuel pressure gauge. There's a great little spot to do this on the back of the housing. All you need to do is remove this allen key plug. It might be tough to get out, a little heat may help here. Thread is a 1/4" BSPT (taper thread). Most fuel pressure gauges are 1/8" NPT. You can tap this out to just a 1/4" NPT at this time, and put a 1/4" to 1/8" reducer, or find a 1/4" BSPT to 1/8" NPT adapter (they do make these), or you can purchase other Earls-type fittings to change the position, angle, whatever you want. Getting back to our TB, it should now look like this with the top hat removed: Next up we're going to remove some of the wiring harness brackets so we can get the ISC off. Remove the 3 screws shown: The brackets will come right off with the screws removed. Set them off to the side. With the brackets out of the way we now have access to all the ISC screws. There are 5 total that you need to remove in order for it to come off. Once they are removed the ISC will "fold" over out of the way. It will still be attached by the long thin spring. Get your needle nose pliers and gently twist it out to fully remove the ISC. Removed. Set if off to the side. (NOTE: now is a good time to make sure this thing works. There are some FAQ tutorials, or your FSM, to explain how to test it. All you need is a 6V lantern battery and some wire.) If you haven't already, pop out the primary and secondary injectors. Make sure the bottom o-rings come with. You can set those off to the side too, more about them later. The last step to getting your TB tore down into it's basic pieces is to separate the TB halves. There are two screws left that hold it together. Once those screws are removed the top should lift right off... ... and you'll be left with this underneath.
  22. Thanks for the kudos. I don’t know nuthin bout no machinist skills beyond what I can do with an angle grinder a sawzall, and a whole bunch of cutting hacking grinding and sanding gets me. and 30 bucks at the machine shop after I twisted and tweaked the thing from here to eternity by welding on it. My engine machinist put it on his belt sander to get it true enough to seal up. As for runner length, plenum volume, injector placement, flow Dynamics, and all the rest of that junk, I applied the rule of “looks about right” to get it to this point. The issue at hand now is finding a TPS that will fit the Chinese TB. The one I have is too small, and the others that are out there look to be the same.
  23. Looks incredible! Obviously, you are a great machinist! Wow, tons of work on this thing. Do you see any issues without much of a plenum though? Very much the opposite of a Magna with its large plenum and longer runners. It's been a while since I looked into the pros/cons of the different intake types.
  24. Looks great from here! Definitely excited to see how it will work out for you.
  25. The Frankin-take.. For better or worse, my intake manifold conversion is pretty much complete. Look up close… no fuel rail, no water running through the intake, no egr, no vacuum ( except where it’s obvious). A-6 fuel distribution block feeding (4) -4 lines going to each injector. The things are each held in place with individual fuel injector mounts I found online. The water bypass, the sensors for the MS3, and the gauges are mounted. Whether this goofy contraption works is gonna be a wait-n-see. It may work, it may starve the injectors. For now,I’ve built a laboratory. I’ve recruited a special needs underachiever as my assistant, and taken a bunch of separate parts from disassociated sources, sewed them together via a spool gun. As soon as the next lightning storm happens, I’ll strap that dude in,… crank him to the top of the tower in my garage-o-lab, and wait till the next lightning strikes, ( diabolical laugh) …..and then at the exact instant, yell to my humped assistant…...” THROW THE SECOND SWITCH!!! “Yesss Master! Welding on this thing proved “consequential”. It twisted, and crowned like mad. Despite trying to clamp it to a flat surface prior to welding on it,… I only have a spool gun. *And a spool gun is like a garden hose in a water pistol fight…Too much, too fast, and in weldspeak,…too hot. It took almost .100 to get the mating surface flat again. * (for the mathematically challenged, almost an 1/8” off). The throttle cable will run under the intake. The water runs under the intake., The rear bypass runs between the injectors and under the back of the manifold. Vacuum runs to a reservoir and a distribution block To feed what needs feedin’. The ECU needs a vacuum reference, ( ck), an IAT reference, ( ck), and a TPS position (?) to be happy. im almost there. Da-Done Dah!
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