TexasQuest Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Anyone use these before? What difference is there compared to the Schnieder springs? They're quite a bit more too... http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-STARION-CONQUEST-G54B-4G54-2-6-PERFORMANCE-VALVE-SPRINGS-/301301972881?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4626ff3f91&vxp=mtr Edited January 24, 2015 by TexasQuest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I had asked that question also a while ago when I saw them, but I read someone's engine billspec's and they where listed, but not sure if those are the exact same ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott87star Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I've run those for about 20K miles now, no issues. I would have to take one off to measure the seat pressure and open pressure which I'm not going to do but I am willing to bet both of those metrics are better with the beehive than the Schneiders. I have documented on this site how the Schneiders loose seat pressure once installed and used, it falls from 100 to 80 or so. Weak sauce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Drift Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Blah still running Schnieder springs after 4k miles and still no float at 22 psi and 6800 rpm daily sooo. Im cool with what ever they are doing in there but i am still running the stock cam also and the bee hive springs have better harmonics proven. best of luck guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Majority of spring I have seen loose about 10 percent of closed pressure after running some. IE, 110 lb spring will drop to 100, unless the get overheated then it can drop more regardless of the brand of spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stariondreams Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I have a set off a ls2 I am going to try on a spare head just gotta figure out the keepers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Drift Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 |Installed Height: 1.800" Installed @ 90# close pressure |Open Pressure: 1.250" @ 295 # pressure |Max Lift: .570"Ls2 springs ^^^^ try it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasQuest Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Bought the last set they had so we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psu_Crash Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 I believe they are a better design. Installing some has been on my list for a while now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) i run them Some info I put up a ways back. http://www.sqperformance.com/forum/index.php?topic=120.msg839#msg839 Edited January 25, 2015 by Funky Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionbull Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 i run them too.need an hks cam to try... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 So not to thread jack what about those springs brianpaul was selling anyone have info on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott87star Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Phil's car with 6610's taught me what valve float sounds like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarquestRescue Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Phil's car with 6610's taught me what valve float sounds like.Can you describe it? what rpm was it happening at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott87star Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 It sounds like a rev limiter going off, it starts to drop cylinders randomly. You'd have to ask Phil what rpm he was at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 As Scott said, it has the same symptons of an ignition issue. Starts to pop out the exhaust. valve float will effect every combo differently. Lets use 90lb seat pressure. Now say you have a exhaust setup that develops backpressure/boost pressure ratio of 2:1. (most of yall have more)Lets say your running 20psi boost. That would mean you have backpressure of 40psi.This means you are trying to control your valvetrain with 50psi worth of spring pressure. Now consider the moment weight of your valve and how high your turning your engine. Ever heard of valve lofting? Basically your rocker can lose contact with the cam and not seat when it should. Or you can blow it off of its seat. My car would float them at 20psi over 5000rpm. As I would increase boost it would happen sooner in the rpm range. Once at 28psi it would act like a limiter/ignition cut going off. Just aboutevery schneider I have pulled and had tested was registering in the 70psi range at 1.8". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 You must mean 1.600. Installed spring height is 1.590-1.629. 1.600 seems to be what new heads and valves run at. I would have to get a set of older schneiders to test them to see where they are at, almost all springs we have seen usually drop 10% in a short time.. Oem stock springs new should test out at 72 lbs @ 1.591. there is plenty of room to shim the spring if you want to. Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Sorry, meant 1.6" We shimmed my 6610's .060 to hit 100psi on 2 different heads. Their garbage. 3 sets are enough proof for me. I put the beehives on and that problem went away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_C. Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 The beehive springs are a better spring design. I know some moderate street/strip cars using them on small block chevy roller cam engines. I agree that they shouldn't lose their rating as much as the Schneiders. However, I have checked some Schneiders with 25K miles on them, and they were still much stiffer than stock at 90 Lbs of seat pressure. They bump back up to about 98 with the .060 shims. I ran it on a roller cam with .480 lift.I run dual coils on my .510 lift roller cam. They are rated at 125 Lbs new. I got them from CNM before Mr. James went rogue. I think TEP still sells them on their website.I run 18 PSI or less boost, so I don't see the float problems like some people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metric-man Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Meh, take all variables into consideration valve springs heat up and raise oil temps faster than any other engine part.So metal allergy is > design. I thought the beehive design would limit heat transfer to the stem. The use of shims end up acting as a heat sink . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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