ivailo76 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 My question is how can identify 1989 year transmission?I have 1983 and 1982 but I need stronger trans. Found 1989 but how to be shure it is 89' before take it.Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyWadd Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Webbed Aluminum lower cover versus sheet metal one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAinsworth Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Check the VIN on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivailo76 Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) 1.You mean oil pan must be aluminum? Ok.2.The transmission have not car. It is only transmission. Must check the serial number on transmission may be. Edited November 3, 2014 by ivailo76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivailo76 Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Thanks Edited November 3, 2014 by ivailo76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markhansenconquest Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 bigger imput shaft and out put shaft..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivailo76 Posted November 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I have 1982 Starion car with stock transmission. Will fit 1989 transmission to my car - clutch, flywheel, driveshaft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasQuest Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Yes it will. Just switch over to the 240mm clutch/flywheel combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuze Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Johnny nailed it, the 89's have a waffle style aluminum lower pan, the rest are a stamped steel type. (I'm pretty sure he bought my old one lol.) This is a lot of why the 89's are "stronger", the case is more rigid from the thincker pan. You shouldn't have to use the 240mm flywheel/clutch, but it's a good upgrade. FYI if you stick with the 225mm flywheel, the clutch interchanges with a Turbo-II RX-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyWadd Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) bigger imput shaft and out put shaft..... Same size on the shafts. Perhaps somewhere inside maybe. But they are the same on the drive line side and on the clutch side. And they use the same size bearings as well. I have had an 87 and 89 apart side by side. Edited November 4, 2014 by JohnnyWadd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAinsworth Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 The transmission has the same VIN as the original car it was in. See the FSM on all the places the VIN are placed on the car. I believe it is in the Intro Section, page 6.Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuze Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Same size on the shafts. Perhaps somewhere inside maybe. But they are the same on the drive line side and on the clutch side. And they use the same size bearings as well. I have had an 87 and 89 apart side by side. Roger that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivailo76 Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 So may be I should be able to use 89 trans with 82' clutch and 82' flywheel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarquestRescue Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 So may be I should be able to use 89 trans with 82' clutch and 82' flywheel?Yes, but you should use a throw out bearing from a newer intercooled car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 The pan is not 100%. I used an 88/89 pan on all my transmissions including 87's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivailo76 Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Thanks to all!I told to seller to see bottom cover and he informed me the bottom cover is sheet metal not aluminum and is not waffle.It is the same like mine. I will stay with mine.Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw458 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Actually the 86-87 intercooled trans is stronger than the older versions. The 83-85 non intercooled trans is the same strength as a mighty max trans. Mighty max and d50 guys use parts from 86-89 SQ trans to beef up theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuze Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I've hear the question asked many times but still haven't seen anything other than the thicker more rigid 89 pan to suggest any differences in strength across the years. On a non-88-89 trans you can always swap the thicker pan on, or use a TuffPan like I did which is much more rigid than the waffle pan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyWadd Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I've hear the question asked many times but still haven't seen anything other than the thicker more rigid 89 pan to suggest any differences in strength across the years. On a non-88-89 trans you can always swap the thicker pan on, or use a TuffPan like I did which is much more rigid than the waffle pan. All I have seen personally is the thinner gears. 5th IIRC. I Had some d-50 5 speeds apart too. The case is different in spots. I believe it is to reduce flex so the gears stay in mesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyWadd Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) From what I have read we are looking at for the 1988 and up having a sealed bearing versus an open one, a tougher plate on the main bearing gear, addition of a blocker ring on reverse, and a thicker pan. I assume they where engineering less flex with the pan and the thicker bearing plate to keep the main gear teeth in best possible mesh. When the mesh opens up or get misaligned the stress is now on a smaller patch of metal yes? From what I have seen I can confirm the non sealed bearings and the thinner plate on the older units. Same shaft sizes though. I forgot to look at the reverse blocker ring though. http://starquest.i-x...opic.php?t=3218 http://www.starquest...ansmission&st=0 "production update" pages.. http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/starionkiller/random%20parts/th_prochange1.jpg http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/starionkiller/random%20parts/th_productionchange2.jpg Edited November 5, 2014 by JohnnyWadd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuze Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Yes Johnny stated the main differences. Primarily it consists of a redesigned center bearing and bearing assembly retainer system that has a thick retaining ring used as backup if the main shaft nut looses preload. This is the main feature that makes an 88 or 89 tranny stronger. There are many other minor differences between 88 and 87 km132 trannies. For instance, The input shaft is different although not in diameter or spline. On the 4th gear, the synchro engage portion is notched to permit easier assembly and removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyWadd Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) "Many" other differences? Care to elaborate?The notched blocker ring is not part of the shaft and is not a strength addition. Edited November 8, 2014 by JohnnyWadd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'll post some pics of what I mean. Yes I agree the input shaft difference has nothing to do with strength. I'll upload a few photos in the next few days when I'm on a real computer and not a phone If you take a look at the parts catalog you can see how many items have a different part number for 88. Many parts I cannot see any obvious difference but there has to be if it is a different number I've fully rebuilt an 88 km132. I know it pretty good but I've only partially pulled a part an 87. Would be interesting to put all the parts with different numbers side by side to understand the differences better but honestly I was more concerned with rebuilding the 88 tranny at the time Will eventually have a rebuild thread on it but I've been saying that for months now Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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