strang3majik Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 To start off, I don't remember priming the oil pump...I did everything else, must've skipped that step...but I've seen engines be put together without that being done before without issue...so... on to the problem... Spent about 2 minutes cranking the engine with the coil wire off, and probably close to another 2 or 3 trying to diagnose a no spark issue after hooking everything back up. Nothing registered on the gauge, but, its an extra sensor I had laying around, so, it may not be good. So, cranked it again, started right up...idled perfectly at 800rpms...too perfect for nothing being adjusted yet...but anyway...idled nice but tapping like a $%^&. After about 10 sec...shut the key off...for some reason the turbo timer kicked on and it took a few button presses to get it to shut off (no idea how to use it...lol) Anyway...after that I checked the filter, turbo feed line, and oil cooler lines...bone dry. Any ideas? Talking with a friend he was saying to fill the filter as best I can and try and fill the oil cooler and crack the lines to see if maybe it was just an air pocket...but I would've thought after all that it should've been pumping... Thoughts? I reused the oil pump and oil pressure before was about 3/4 on the gauge...now I have nothing. I did pull it apart and check it but all looked great and within spec. I'm at a loss and kinda upset my newly put together engine has no oil pressure :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minagera Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 O-Ring on the pickup tube, or you didn't prime the oil pump well enough. You could drop the pan, and undo the pickup tube, and THEN shot some heavy weight oil up there. Or try to push some Vaseline up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strang3majik Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Ugh...anything less painful than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minagera Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Ugh...anything less painful than that? Maybe some of those older and wiser gentlemen, like Dad, could chime in here, but unless you could prime the whole system with those magic primers, I am out man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) Here ya go, I just hope you didn't hurt the bearings. http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=42694 Dad Edited June 19, 2012 by Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strang3majik Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Ah...well...looks like I may be pulling the pan :/ If its of any help...we doused the cylinders and bearings/rods etc in oil upon assembly, not that it would've stayed there long after running it...but at least something was there... Ugh...luckily I got an extra pan gasket. The pan can be pulled in the car, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minagera Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) The pan CAN be pulled from the car, but it is not the nicest thing to do. However not worth pulling the engine just for that unless you cannot prime the oil pump. Edited June 19, 2012 by Minagera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOSTED88tsi Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 yes it can. I've had luck in the past taking the oil filter off and slipping a hose over the spindle and pouring oil down to the pump that way. But yes the pan can come off in the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strang3majik Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I guess I'll be giving it a shot. :/ I swear, since I've owned this car its been a pain...hell even mating the engine and trans took a few hours...let alone hooking everything else up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strang3majik Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 yes it can. I've had luck in the past taking the oil filter off and slipping a hose over the spindle and pouring oil down to the pump that way. But yes the pan can come off in the car. Please elaborate...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Use a pump oil can with a hose attached and prime it where this hose is connected. http://www.enginemachineservice.com/prime1.jpg Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOSTED88tsi Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Not much to elbaorate on. Find a piece of hose that goes over the spindle, use a hose clamp on the spindle and slowly pour oil down that hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strang3majik Posted June 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) Ok...thank you...haha. And should I spin the engine over backwards to suck the oil in? Coke has me thinking I may have used the wrong one. :/ Which may be the cause of all my issues...potentially? EDIT: Dad, would you recommend the filter spindle way or the outlet you showed? Or both? Edited June 19, 2012 by strang3majik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeLobster Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Not much to elbaorate on. Find a piece of hose that goes over the spindle, use a hose clamp on the spindle and slowly pour oil down that hose. This is what I'll be doing! We have shop air, but no oiler... -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotStock88 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) Not much to elbaorate on. Find a piece of hose that goes over the spindle, use a hose clamp on the spindle and slowly pour oil down that hose. what spindle are you talking about? I dont have air here and I had the same issue. I removed that plug that DAD shows and i stuck a vacuum hose in the hole, than ran it up to a funnel.. It took forever it seemed but I got it to prime ok . Keep you head up man, its only a motor. Edited June 19, 2012 by NotStock88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coke Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) You should NEVER EVER spin a G54B over backwards. Unless you would like to re-time the chain when your done. AND yes, the "TURBO" oil pump gasket has the tear-drop shaped cut out, much like the one you sent me the picture of, laying on your car. It's supposed to be in the engine, not there. lol Using the wrong one will cause all sorts of problems. Edited June 19, 2012 by Coke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles gardner Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 hope u had the injectors unplugged also!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbrad511 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 what spindle are you talking about? I dont have air here and I had the same issue. I removed that plug that DAD shows and i stuck a vacuum hose in the hole, than ran it up to a funnel.. It took forever it seemed but I got it to prime ok . Keep you head up man, its only a motor. What he said. I used this method after installing my BSEK. Worked like a charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Cut a hole in the top of an old oil filter and use that for a funnel, pour it full and wait, do that a few times and your pump will have more than enough oil in it to coat the gears and create the low pressure environment to draw in the oil after the engine starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOSTED88tsi Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 The oil filter spindle. Aka where the oil filter attaches to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bha280 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I have a rebuilt motor that had about 2500 miles on it before I got it but has been sitting for a few months while I collect some more parts. You think I'll need to prime it before I drop it in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott87star Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarquestRescue Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I have a preluber set up if you want to barrow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_C. Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I check every pump to make sure it is clean and not scarred up before lubing the gears with assembly lube. I like the thick blood colored stuff that oozes out. I think it is made by Permatex and is what some machinists I know use. Here is a cleaned up quote from a Pretty knowledgable Quester. LoL!: "Follow the FSM and the SOS manual.(FSM says squirt 10cc of engine oil in-it...better to use a THICKER oil, STP? won't drain-off!) Using "Bearing Guard" to lube the bearings & PRIME, the oil pump is important.(crank, all-day-long...nothing will be damaged) The SUCTION-SIDE, of the oil pump, is a weak-link, if using a USED pump. Yes, Both gaskets CAN, work. "Tear-drop" is prefered! (also in the SOS)Never use RTV, or any-other, sealant, on the gasket!Hope, you used the RIGHT, o-ring, too! Very special size & MATERIAL! (silicone?) Install....1 or 2 or 3 more quarts of oil! This, RISES, the level of the oil, so LESS, suction,would be required, to PRIME, itself. Crank the engine, until the gauge responds....DRAIN-OUT, the excess oil! You don't really need a pressure-can. Failure...to suggest, "READ THE SOS, ENGINE BUILD...FIRST", would create a disaster-build! Other ways: Use STP, placed-in, a oil, squirt-can. HEAT-IT, on your stove-top.Remove the plug, on the side-o-da-block...squirt-it-in, there!(warm/hot STP flows, much quicker...but cools-off on cold engine parts...its sticky!) It shall, drip-on, the rotors, inside the oil pump...eventually! IF...you parked your car (for a week or more) and lost oil pressure: 1. The oil pump is trashed!2. wrong gasket3. wrong o-ring or not SEATED, correctly. Never install the o-rinng dry! ALWAYS, prime the pump with "Bearing Guard", or like!$8 squeeze-bottle, can build, a half-dozen, engines!!! Nobody stocking it, then order it in. I Don't like:Vasoline or Lithium!! Camshaft, break-in-lube (moly) can also work, too. Mechanical cams: Use 10-40w Valvoline (winter use) 20-50w (summer months)but add a bottle of ZINC+ (from a speed shop)....and HAMMER-DOWN! SOS has: more assembly tips on "BSEK & T-Chains", too! YOU, DON'T NEED, TO DROP THE OIL PAN, TO REGAIN, OIL PRESSURE! BOTTOM LINE! Does...your head, have a oil-plug, on the RH side? Guess what...squirt engine oil in-it!It leads...direct to the oil pump, to PRIME-IT! Also, if you remove, the RH-front, head bolt....that passage, leads-to the oil pump. Wasting time & effort: filling the oil filter, cooler & hoses, too! It doesn't help." Unquote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) You'll never get out of the 80s. Edited June 20, 2012 by Indiana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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