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I am working with pc_85 on his engine build. We are rolling around some new ideas on intake design. I drew up a different style mpi intake, just want to see what everyone thinks about it. The reason for this is to work around the AC compressor and not have to relocate the battery and also keeping the stock style OVCP. Sorry for the high tech CAD drawing :lol:

 

 

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because the columns of air organize and rush to the inlet port with the inlet valve open, you need to compensate for the inlet valve closing, when that happens the organized air wants to return up the inlet runner at the same speed it originally gathered, so allow yourself a lot of plenum for the air to defuse behind your air horn

You should coordinate the ram effect with your lobe seperation of your cam design too

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The #1&4 runners will have a slight taper towards the center of the plenum so it will fit, plus it will be built while engine is still in the car. The 2 center runners will also have a slight bend to create even lengths between all 4. The plenum and runners will also be polished on the inside to help air flow. Plenum will be hammer formed in a 2 piece design out of annealed .125" 6061 and as much volume as i can make it. "would like to get it close to 2 sets of cylinders worth of volume" Velocity stacks are also going be incorporated. To me this design seems Superior to the conventional mpi manifolds that are used on all types of 4cyl mpi engines, especially when it comes to even distribution of air to cylinders. Edited by maxboost87
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... To me this design seems supiorior to the conventional mpi manifolds that are used on all types of 4cyl mpi engines, especially when it comes to even distribution of air to cylinders.

 

Exactly, just what I said. HaHa Just Get'r done.

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Plenum volume needs to be about 6 cylinders of volume (1.5 X's total engine displacement) for true performance gains.

 

Polishing the runners won't help, and may hinder flow. small amounts of irregularity actually improve flow as they break up the boundary layer with micro vortexes on the irregular surface. Same reason a golf ball is dimpled...

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Plenum volume needs to be about 6 cylinders of volume (1.5 X's total engine displacement) for true performance gains.

 

Polishing the runners won't help, and may hinder flow. small amounts of irregularity actually improve flow as they break up the boundary layer with micro vortexes on the irregular surface. Same reason a golf ball is dimpled...

 

Very GOOD!!! Great info.

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Plenum volume needs to be about 6 cylinders of volume (1.5 X's total engine displacement) for true performance gains.

 

Polishing the runners won't help, and may hinder flow. small amounts of irregularity actually improve flow as they break up the boundary layer with micro vortexes on the irregular surface. Same reason a golf ball is dimpled...

if you dimple the inside of the runners would you start have a problem with carbon build up ? from the pcv system

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The #1&4 runners will have a slight taper towards the center of the plenum so it will fit, plus it will be built while engine is still in the car. The 2 center runners will also have a slight bend to create even lengths between all 4. The plenum and runners will also be polished on the inside to help air flow. Plenum will be hammer formed in a 2 peice design out of annealed .125" 6061 and as much volume as i can make it. "would like to get it close to 2 cylinders worth of volume" Velocity stacks are also going be incorporated. To me this design seems supiorior to the conventional mpi manifolds that are used on all types of 4cyl mpi engines, especially when it comes to even distribution of air to cylinders.

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Long over due update on new MPI design, fabrication in progress:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/000_0587.jpg

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/000_0584.jpg

Goal was to keep AC and not have to relocate battery.

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maxboost87 is fabricating this new MPI intake with fuel rail, throttlebody and injectors. That takes some of the work out of the MPI conversion and with this design you don't have to mess with the A/C nor the battery but you still need a new ECU, a lot of wiring and someone who knows how to tune. I'll let you know how this works out, at this point this is a big experiment.
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with this design you don't have to mess with the A/C nor the battery

 

You don't have to deal with that on a magna intake either. Having to move the batt, washer pump and remove ac has to do with bad choice of IC piping routes. There are solutions out there that don't require anything to be relocated.

 

 

 

Stock batt and washer pump locations plus AC is retained in this setup. Piping is 2.5" diameter.

 

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq352/ucw458/MPI/DSC03802.jpg

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Has anyone ever considered rifling the runners? I was thinking this might also improve swirl in the cylinder. I could be way off base.

Oh you didn't just mention a way to better swirl the incoming air charge did you?

http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/stockjetvalves02.jpg

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More progress on the OVC MPI

Throttle cable mount and fuel rail instal:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/0000611.jpg

Fuel line with inline filter

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/0000618.jpg

Wiring for Haltech Sprint 500 ECU, roughing in OVC pipe:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/0000613.jpg

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/0000612h.jpg

Finished OVC Pipe:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/000_0628.jpg

FPR with SS braided fuel line:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/000_0666.jpg

Wiring almost complete, New NGK sparks, Taylor Racing spark cables:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/000_0672.jpg

Got it started, needs some tuning.

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More progress on the OVC MPI

Throttle cable mount and fuel rail instal:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/0000611.jpg

Fuel line with inline filter

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/0000618.jpg

Wiring for Haltech Sprint 500 ECU, roughing in OVC pipe:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/0000613.jpg

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/0000612h.jpg

Finished OVC Pipe:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/000_0628.jpg

FPR with SS braided fuel line:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/000_0666.jpg

Wiring almost complete, New NGK sparks, Taylor Racing spark cables:

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/pc85dr/Engine%20Rebuild/000_0672.jpg

 

Got it started, needs some tuning.

 

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