BBK 12" Rotor 4 Piston Wilwood Big Brake KIT (Original and First BBK made to fit OEM wheels)

[Oscar_the_Grouch]

Hello all again

 

Been away for a long while but never quite left.

Been asked to start producing the BBK KIT again due to the recent search for a company to make them or trying to put a kit together and doing all the R&D from scratch. Why bother with re-inventing the wheel when its been already done and tested.

 

ALL R&D was DONE (Back in 2005) and KITS been in use ever since without any incident.

Prototype and over 80 working kits have been sold all over the world without a single complaint.

Rotors and pads are universal and not going to be discontinued anytime soon and available everywhere local and on line.

 

These KITs are being sold as "PARTIAL" or "INCOMPLETE" or "70% Complete" KITs whatever you want to call it these are NOT COMPETE KITS. Why? Simple...

1- There are too many options out there for rotors and pads so its impossible to make a one size fit all BBK to please everyone here.

2- For those with limited budgets you can buy the parts at your own pace as your budget allows

3-This way there's no liability on my end.

 

DISCLAIMER:

These are OFF ROAD USE ONLY kits and not DOT approved kits by any means. So if you are not handy with tools or familiar with brakes I'd suggest you have these installed by a Pro-Mechanic. AGAIN GUYS, Brakes are your life DON'T PLAY with your life. Many of you just want to go faster but the faster you go the faster you need to stop too.

GENERIC LINKS within this post are generated by the site and Im NOT in NO WAY associated with the links or what they link you to/with.

 

 

 

Brakes as seen through OEM Wheels ( Old Cast Calipers )

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/Oscar-the-Grouch/2007986222_5a33154101.jpg

 

 

The specifics are listed bellow.

Please read the FAQ's bellow and If you still have any questions please ask.

 

Quick FAQ's

 

Q- What does the KIT includes ?

What do I get for my $375.00 ?

A- (See NEXT 3 pics bellow) it includes:

All custom Steel brackets

Spacers

Hardware

Front Brake lines

Full detail Step by Step set of instructions

Part numbers for all universal parts (Caliper, Pads, Rotors) needed to complete the KIT.

 

 

Hardware and brackets are STEEL not Aluminum. Aluminum Brake hardware on STREET driven vehicles is just a mistake IMHO. NONE of us is going to benefit from a 4lb weight reduction. We are NOT racing for money, we do not have big sponsors so please dont make a HUGE deal about weight. Keep in mind that BRAKES will save your live, so dont trust your brakes to Aluminum Brake Components

 

 

These brackets you see in BLACK are powder coated.

YES those are aluminum spacers, they are a NO stress part and carry no load.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/Oscar-the-Grouch/20.jpg

 

Rotor Spacers bellow WILL NOT be powder coated to further reduce cost

Besides its not needed.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/Oscar-the-Grouch/2007969724_222d81cad9.jpg

 

Complete set of hardware all Grade 8 Steel where needed

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/Oscar-the-Grouch/2007173733_54a68b6d59.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

Part Comparison

OEM vs NEW Big Brake parts:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2387/2007193525_b537eb49c2_z.jpg?zz=1

 

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/Oscar-the-Grouch/pads1.jpg

 

 

Q- Will these fit/work with OEM Wheels?

A- YES all 5 bolt wide body models SHP and Non-SHP alike

The kit uses rotor spacers for rotor clearane these spacers will push your wheels OUT Aprox 1/4"

 

Q- Do I need to modify anything to install the kit ?

A- NO, this is a COMPLETE BOLT-ON. No cutting welding or hacking off your car. You can always go back to OEM if you choose to do so.

 

Q- Can I use OEM or OEM Steel Braided lines?

A- NO you cannot, the lines needed are longer than OEM.

 

Q- Can I use/keep the OEM master cylinder?

A- Yes you can. The OEM master has enough volume to push the 4 piton Wilwoods as long as it is in PERFECT condition it will work just fine. If in doubt replace it for a new unit. If you are concerned in any way there's another option in caliper selection that I will also send you along with the rest of the KIT. With the standard caliper selection you will get a bit more of pedal travel about 1/4" to 1/2" with the lower volume calipers (Also 4 piston) you will get LOOSE about 1/4" to 1/2" of travel so the pedal will grab higher and thus the tendency to lock up the front tires faster will be an issue until you get used to it.

 

Q- Will I need a Brake Proportioning Valve?

A- NO you don't have to have one, but its recommended you install one just to better balance your brakes front to back. Another good idea if you have not done so already is eliminate the ABS unit this will help with a better pedal feel no matter what caliper you choose. I ran without it for almost a year so I got used to it. After I installed one the car felt better balanced under hard braking.

 

Q- Do I need to eliminate my ABS system?

A- NO you dont have to, but it will make the BBK work better and you'll have better pedal feel.

 

Q- Any test data on this KIT ?

A- Yes I tested the prototype which is the kit I currently have on my car and all the info and test data will be listed bellow shortly.

 

Q- What calipers does the kit use ?

A- The kit is designed to use either a 4 or a 6 piston Wilwood Calipers. Wilwood 4 Piston sell for $160ea 6 Pistons sell for $350ea.

 

4 Piston Caliper

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/Oscar-the-Grouch/fsl_big.jpg

6 Piston Caliper

http://www.lpiracing.com/catalog/billet_superlite_6_radial_mount-lg_212_detail.jpg

 

 

Q- What rotors does it use and will they be readily available ?

A- The KIT uses BWM rotors these are and will be available for a long time. Price ranges with rotor options and brands ( Plain, Drilled, Slotted, Drilled/Slotted, Dimpled, Curved, Vained, ect, ect, ect ) $60-$200 I suggest to go to "Race Concepts" or any other online supplier for these that they can re-drill for Mitsu lug pattern prior to shipping and this will save you the trouble of doing it yourself later.

 

Q- What brake pads are available?

A- There are a TON of brands and compounds ranging from $50 to over $300 a set. Street to FULL race and anything in between. A nice set will run you $80.00 this is a new compound from Wilwood that is both street and track friendly.

 

Q- Why not include all the parts ?

A- This way its affordable for anyone. Buy the main kit now and buy the calipers rotors and pads later as budget allows. I provide ALL part numbers and were to get these universal parts. ALL parts NOT included in the kit are UNIVERSAL parts that are and will be available for a long time. Also this allows you to save money on shipping by buying locally and also saves you the price markup of a third party. So hunt your own best deal and save more. Also this is a way to sell the kit without liability. A complete KIT carries liability but if its sold in pieces or sold as PARTIAL it does NOT have any liability. AGAIN guys this is NOT DOT legal and sold as OFF-Road use ONLY.

 

Q- How many kits have you sold ?

A- I believe there are aprox. 35 kits out there. Including some sent overseas to UK, Australia, Ireland, USVI, Puerto Rico, HI, Mexico and plenty here in the US.

 

Q- How long of a job is this to do by an average Joe with average Mech skills?

A- Its an easy 60-90min job or less with no special tools required. Its all bolt on with clear instructions and plenty of photos so anyone can do it.

BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND you are working on BRAKES and if you have ANY DOUBT that you cannot comfortably complete the install DO NOT DO IT. Brake jobs are simple but if you screw up once it may be your last time. So PLEASE DON'T TAKE A CHANCE IF YOU ARE NOT SURE.

 

This is what you will end up with after all parts are pourchased

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/Oscar-the-Grouch/BIG-BrakeKIT.jpg

 

 

LAST ORIGINAL GB HELD located atthe link bellow:

http://www.starquest...topic=72897&hl=

 

 

If you have any questions not listed or answered above please don't hesitate to ask.

 

 

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TEST DATA

 

 

PLEASE note the driving condition ,tires, wheel size and take all of that into consideration as you WILL experience DIFFERENT results as ALL of these factors are taken into effect.

 

 

 

UN-CONTROLLED PARAMETERS:

Day------------------------------Dry Sunny no clouds (CENTRAL CA SUMMER DAY)

Humidity------------------------37%

Ambient Temp-----------------101 Deg.F

Road Surface Temp.----------123 Deg.

Road Surface------------------Newly Paved Asphalt Semi-Smooth no loose gravel

 

CONTROLLED Equipment:

 

Wheels------------------------16x8 ( Fronts )

Tires----------------------------Yoks. AVS Intermedeate w/ 1/2 tread left.

Brake fluid---------------------Valvoline Synthetic DOT 5

Driver-------------------------- 6-3" 220 lbs

Fuel tank----------------------1/2 Tank ( Aprox. 9 gls.)

Brakes pads and rotors warmed for 15 min. of NORMAL street braking.

 

TEST Results:

 

 

OEM w/ABS removed

OEM Brake System with Semi-Metalic NAPA pads 1/2 way worn

OEM Rotors with aprox 95k miles on them.

60-0 Braking ---------------- Average 126ft +/- 2ft

NOTE: This is the average of the best 3 of 5 braking runs,by NOT allowing wheels to lock up.

BEST-----121ft WORST----------134ft

 

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BIG BRAKE KIT

( NO Proportioning valve. A Prop Valve would have yielded better results )

Prescision Brake System with Hawk STREET pads,w/ Brembo slotted rotors.

60-0 Braking---------------- Average 108ft +/- 2ft

NOTE: This is the average of the best 5 of 10 braking runs, by NOT allowing wheels to lock up.

BEST-----99ft WORST----------112ft

 

NOTE: Hawk STREET brake pads started to show some fade after the 10th "Panic Stop"

Better pads or even race pads, better gripping tires and a proportioning valve will yield even shorter stopping distances

 

 

Will be taking names down for the next 4 weeks TOPS ( Until mid June )

Deposits of $100.00 or more will be due no later than end of week 4

Balance due prior to order shipping of corse

Delivery expected 2-3 weeks after that.

$375.00 Shipped for the KIT as outlined above

 

DEPOSITS / PAYMENTS

All payments will be either Paypal or MO (Can send in at any time)

If sending Pay-Pal please do a personal payment so I dont have to pay the fees, The money for personal payments MUST come from Acc balance or bank acc and NOT FROM a CC. If you send payment from a CC please add 3% to cover my fees please.

 

Paypal to: mitsu_nut@yahoo.com <------ Also my contact email

Checks or MO: Please contact me directly for address

 

 

INTERETED PARTIES:

1- Shaggy_TSi (PAID IN FULL)

2- taeisallin (PAID IN FULL)

3- KIDMEN (PAID IN FULL)

4- vanillagorilla

5- speedy2222

6- STARION_NORTH

7- kidjc

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Edited September 13, 2013 by Oscar_the_Grouch

[importwarrior]

WoW glad to see your still around!!!!

Great kit!

[benja92231]

good to hear from you oscar,hope everything is good

[Lunacy]

Hey Oscar. After grabbing this hardware kit off you a year or so back, after not getting the braided lines ive had trouble finding some over here. Were yours coated braided ones (clearcoat on outside of metal braid)? If so what would a set of these run me? Thanks again, very happy with the kit itself

[Shaggy_TSi]

I'm in.

[taeisallin]

im down for a set!

 

tae

[KIDMEN]

I am in on this how do i get you the money

[Oscar_the_Grouch]

WoW glad to see your still around!!!!

Great kit!

Yeah been around just not active on non of the forums.

Glad to be back to see who's still around and see the new product makers and developers because its not an easy job to do so glad to see some new members are taking initiative.

Glad to see you're still around also.

 

good to hear from you oscar,hope everything is good

Thank you, its alright, currently back in Florida so no longer in CA so not well connected here but working on it.

Glad to see you still around too

 

 

Hey Oscar. After grabbing this hardware kit off you a year or so back, after not getting the braided lines ive had trouble finding some over here. Were yours coated braided ones (clearcoat on outside of metal braid)? If so what would a set of these run me? Thanks again, very happy with the kit itself

Glad you're happy with the kit.

I've sent you a PM. I'll get pricing for you.

[Fuze]

Good to see you back posting, Oscar!

[Convette]

All the power to you for providing more products to the community, but do not try to discredit other parts in doing so. I have a lot of opinions also, but I'll keep them to myself.

[Oscar_the_Grouch]

All the power to you for providing more products to the community, but do not try to discredit other parts in doing so. I have a lot of opinions also, but I'll keep them to myself.

 

Ooooookay....

Here we go again....

Been back on the forums for a week and already see not much has changed in the past 8 years.

 

Everyone posts what they like or don't like about a product and that's fine in my book I don't see it as "Discrediting". If there's something about this product you don't like or have an opinion about PLEASE POST IT for all to read and I will address it.

 

Regarding your product I simply stated that I would not use aluminum in High Stress, High Load brake components used on a street vehicle. Also stated that a 3 pound weight savings on a car that is not a pro racer is not worth your life. I'm NOT bashing nor discrediting your product, I'm not even competing with you, the buyers of your product will not buy mine. All I have an issue with and wanted to address it as any buyer would question a new product is your choice of material. You seem to be very capable machinist, I'm not, but just because its easier to machine a part out of aluminum does not make the better material choice. I think I saw one comment about the use of aluminum and you replied with "Its been used on racing teams for a long time" or something to the like. Back to my original point... For racing GREAT not much liability there. Not so much the case for street use.

My opinion and observation as a potential buyer.

 

 

 

This may be the shortest comeback in the forums history....

[Convette]

Your wrong. Do some research on brake components and materials before you post useless information.

 

 

 

Again, more power to you for bringing an over priced product to the market.

Edited May 21, 2013 by Convette

[Shaggy_TSi]

Deposit sent.

[psu_Crash]

Oscar didn't you have these in 13" rotor too at one time?

[Oscar_the_Grouch]

Oscar didn't you have these in 13" rotor too at one time?

 

Yes it was a custom order and minimum run of 3 kits. Did not make it into production on my end only the company that finalized the engineering added to their list of kits. Not a big interest in it back in the day.

 

Thanks

[Convette]

.. Edited May 23, 2013 by Convette

[Oscar_the_Grouch]

wait are those alumnium calipers? whoaaaa thats a terrible idea. Aluminum brake components cant be trusted.

 

haha

 

I don't know about the rest of you but I can actually comprehend what I read. But just in case let me say it again.

I would not use aluminum for brackets on brakes or high torque high stress applications. The key word is "I" as in an individual. Those calipers are designed, engeneered, tested, re tested, race prooven over and over again and backed by Wilwood's 36 years experience and history in the business.

 

So whenever you can claim the same then I won't "discredit" your aluminum brackets that you made in your garage.

 

Bottom line is I will put my trust and money on Wilwood aluminum calipers, but never on a home made "aluminum" brake bracket or component.

I'm sorry but it's a no brainer to me.

 

I can explain this to you all day long but I cannot understand it for you.

Thank you for your comments.

Good luck with your GB.

 

OTG

[BC_99]

Ok guys, you both have similar products to sell.

 

Convette, this is his gp, no need for this kind of antagonism. Stick to yours.

 

 

Oscar, the same company whose 36 year record you are standing on, is the same company that makes aluminum brackets that are almost identical to the ones you are saying aren't safe. So, that makes your entire arguement invalid. You are wrong about machined aluminum brake parts, including caliper brackets. I have built and raced cars that have and will see hundreds of times more heat and torque and stress than any SQ ever will, except for maybe Convettes. All of them had this style of caliper mount. In this case you are simply misinformed, and are spreading incorrect information, or perhaps an opinion, as facts. Your product is a very viable option and something I wouldn't mind owning, but the other guys stuff is plenty safe and he has proven so with his own car and reputation. Stick to the FACTS, and sell your parts. I wish you both luck in your sales.

 

BC_99

Edited May 23, 2013 by BC_99

[Shaggy_TSi]

He clearly said it was his opinion; that HE does not trust aluminun components on HIS car. Yes he did stated his opinion and urged others to follow him, but who doesnt want that? Also, if someone is buying convettes they wont need these, theres no need to argue here. I saw convettes brackets, but he clearly said they will not work with stock rims, thats why I decided this was my route.

[vanillagorilla]

Oscar, I am interested. Please put me on the list. Any recommendations for prop Valves and settings?

[vanillagorilla]

Can I suggest we all keep on topic. If it keeps going this way the entire community will loose at least one and maybe two valuable resources.

 

Think of your cars guys.

[BC_99]

He clearly said it was his opinion; that HE does not trust aluminun components on HIS car. Yes he did stated his opinion and urged others to follow him, but who doesnt want that? Also, if someone is buying convettes they wont need these, theres no need to argue here. I saw convettes brackets, but he clearly said they will not work with stock rims, thats why I decided this was my route.

 

Yes, he did. However, facts are facts. This is a great kit that I am strongly considering. No doubt about that. Both have their merit. I wasn't wanting to add to the argument, just the opposite. Oscar, my apologies if my comments seemed to add to the drama. You can add me to the list as I love our stock wheels and do want better brakes.

 

BC_99

[kidjc]

Ok guys, you both have similar products to sell.

 

Convette, this is his gp, no need for this kind of antagonism. Stick to yours.

 

 

Oscar, the same company whose 36 year record you are standing on, is the same company that makes aluminum brackets that are almost identical to the ones you are saying aren't safe. So, that makes your entire arguement invalid. You are wrong about machined aluminum brake parts, including caliper brackets. I have built and raced cars that have and will see hundreds of times more heat and torque and stress than any SQ ever will, except for maybe Convettes. All of them had this style of caliper mount. In this case you are simply misinformed, and are spreading incorrect information, or perhaps an opinion, as facts. Your product is a very viable option and something I wouldn't mind owning, but the other guys stuff is plenty safe and he has proven so with his own car and reputation. Stick to the FACTS, and sell your parts. I wish you both luck in your sales.

 

BC_99

 

Once again "Britt" I gotta hand (no punn intended my friend) it to ya... you stepped in as a mediator, in gentlemanly fashion. &... with a personal knowledge lending professionalism as to fact or fiction. I like you, also like the choice of using our stock wheels as well... & also the use of larger wheels, since the choice of high end tires has narrowed so drastically lately in 16". Hense... I 1st purchased John's setup, which I find very affordable, durable I'm sure, & never a worry about available "stang" parts.

 

I am also aware of Oscar's repp with his setup of past years, although never owning any. (couldn't locate/gone in 60 seconds) I am seriously think'n of jump'n on his setup as well. First gonna add up the bottom line on the setup before move'n ahead. (seems to be in the same range as the "Big Brake setup sold online/ebay?" depending on choices of setup w/ Oscar's, deciding on what my needs vrs. my wants are w/ regards to using my stock wheels. (also like the "bolt-on" feature, for me. ) Most likely, I will follow suit as you Britt, just in having choice, since I have more than one StarQuest.

 

I agree w/ Britts statement whole heartedly, as to a truce. As I for (1), would be that customer leaning to purchasing "both" systems. But many thanx again Britt, for step'n up as you seem to usually do.

Edited May 23, 2013 by kidjc

[KIDMEN]

deposit sent

[taeisallin]

Deposite sent!