Shelby Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 ok  just how many guys are useing the Hawk  ecu  system,, lets  see if  we can't get togather and share  info , tips  , short cuts etc , come on guys  let's get togather i know  these guys are  runing the Hawk  Tainter's  Chiplee  Shelby Gz21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gz21 Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 You can count me into Shelby. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted June 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 missing install file on install disk,, i'm missing a file call'd _setup.DLL from my install disk,, so i can't get my Hawk program install'd HELP ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted June 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 ok i found a work arround,, i use'd the _setup.DLL from the old Hawk install program and add'd it to the new one,, got it install'd and runing ,,now on to seting it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted June 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 ok 6-19 at 9:15 pm i start'd the truck up on the hawk ecu my fathers day gift to ME ;D plenty of learning to go tho , but all in good time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJpowerHaus Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Awesome. I'm glad you got all that figured out. Now for the hard part :-D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted June 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 6-23-04 took her for a road test ;D she did very well, much better then i had hope'd for , behave'd like a lady did nothing wrong ;D so after 4 yr's and two fuel systems in one month i have a runing MPi truck deff got to have the bov bypass on tho hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted July 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 ok for those thinking about or trying to install a Hawk ecu, i finaly got a reply back from from the co (speedtechnology) on the install and help set up files, they said they were in the process of makeing up new files to assist installers,but were not complete yet, they did how ever send me what they had finesh'd at this point so any one needing or wanting to look them over , pm me and i'l email the files to them , they do answer some small questions that help a great deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tux Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 how much was your hawk there shelby? i'm still thinking about megasquirt. and still waiting on the damn fabricator here (in jersey) to finish my manifold ;( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted July 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Tux i got it from a member that decide'd not to use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted July 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 oops sorry the hawk is going for arround $750 i beleave ok just some updates beleave it or now i am still geting emails back from the hawk guys , and slowly geting more and more info hope it continues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiplee_underway Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 I've posted this stuff a couple times. No one seems to care so maybe it's all obvious information. I'll throw it out again now for you guys to use or ignore as you see fit. Things I wish I'd known before I started my Hawk EC21 installation. Crank pully must be marked at 22 and 60 degrees BTDC. To do this use the following formula Diameter (3.14) 360 Then multiply that number by 22 and 60 to get the distances you want to measure back from TDC to make your marks. Or if you trust it you can measure the distance between the marks on the timing cover. 20 degrees will be close enough so obviously the distance between the TDC mark and 10 degrees BTDC is 10 degrees. Make your mark twice that distance from the TDC mark on the crankpulley at 20degrees BTDC. The 60 degree mark should be self explainatory now using this method. If you plan to use an IAC (idle air control) valve get a GM/Delco 4 wire idle air control valve PN: 21738, while you're at it Get the connector for it PN: PT773 . This thing only works with GM Throttle bodies so if you have a ford don't bother. And the hawk can't control a 2 wire stepper. Get a 1000 ohm resister at Radio Shack, I'll explain why later, you may or may not need it but you don't want to run out for it when you start.. Get a Bosch ignitor module PN 9222067024 This is the one the Hawk manufacture always uses, however just about any Bosch module will work. If you find one that looks anything like this http://www.geocities.com/chip_lee_iii/ignitors.html get the number off of it and call efi hardware they'll be able to get you the wiring diagram for just about any bosch ignitor, and they're happy to do it. Pin 16--------------(-coil wire) Pin 15--------------(+coil wire) Pin 7---------------(ignition output from Hawk) Pin 3---------------(ignition ground) *NOTE* this assumes the ignition coil has its own power supply. This module takes its power from the hawk. Get at least 3 bosch relays, but 4 is ideal. Wiring relays: find these numbers on the relay diagram imprinted on the relay. 30---Power to relay 12v 85 or 86 get a switched 12v input, but whichever one does not get power has to get the Hawk input wire for whatever you're relaying. So 85 or 86 whichever one you didn't put a second hot wire into get's the signal wire from the Hawk 87---Power to the item It is imperative that the switched 12v signal is powered with the ignition switch in the start position and the run position, not just in run: I used the coil pos. You should relay the Fuel pump, Injectors, Coil and the constant hot 12v in on the ecu "B5" If you want to use only 3 relays you can run the pump and injectors together so you can easily disable the whole fuel system. You may encounter tuning situations where you want the pump disabled, but not the injectors, more likely vice versa but that's something to consider when installing relays. Determining which wire goes where on the Ford TPS without the proper connector: Get out your volt meter and two of the three posts will have a set resistance between each other no matter how you connect the meter. One of these is power the other is ground. Now to determine which is which: The other post will have variable resistance between itself and either of the two power and ground posts. With the third post connected switch the other meter wire back and forth between the power and ground. Whichever one gives the highest resistance is the power, and now you've identified all three. When you think it's time to crank her up think again. Slow down and do the following: Remove plugs so that you can crank the motor and get a good cranking speed to check base timing at 10degrees BTDC without starting the car This may require Trigger adjustments (turning the dizzy) Use a timing light just like you would any other time. Remove the coil relay (or coil wire) and remove fuel rail with injectors attached and check fuel flow to the injectors, (catch the fuel with an oil drain pan or something) In this step you confirm fuel pressure and injector firing and you know it's timed so you've saved some life on your starter and battery instead of just using trial and error on a new ECU. The TB must be calibrated: See the Hawk manual and know that we can use the autocal because we are not using the TPS for load sensing. I need to redo this step but my car runs fine with it out of cal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted July 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 hey Chip i been waiting for you to come arround , hope your gona be home soon i got some things to chat with you about , i did finaly get a how to on the wireing install from them hawk guys,, and the tps cal has been change'd on the new program, it some what self adjusting once you set the proper mode, and open and close the tps with out the engine runing then change back the tps cal mode but geting info out of these guys is like geting money from trump also those 4 wire bosh igniters are aussie only as far as i can find they are all 5 wire over here ,so untill i find the proper wireing i'm runing an HEI igniter also the 60 degree BTDC will take care of it's self with the use of an aussie magna dist , just install the rotor 180 out and it'l amost align right where the oem cap did , then simple adj it to the dial'd in time and your all set ( 8btdc or 10 btdc as how ever it is set up , this also elims th e need to clock the rotor , sence the aussie magna was also set up on a 60 degree befor tdc nornmal fireing time any way your hard learn'd info is greatly look'd forward to , maybe we can get togather and hash out a true how to install and set up the system sepecialy the hot soak calibtation and the tps rerichment funtion i have also found their preset map stops changeing at 3.75 volts , and from there to 4.9 volts reads the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiplee Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 I'm home for 3 weeks Shelby. I've been waiting for you to dive into the hawk so I could finally get mine set up right. I've been getting by but I'm convinced there's a whole lot of tuning left on this engine, and there probably always will be. I still only run 22* of timing in the top end and I've never really messed with it. Nor have I messed with most of the fine tuning settings available in the hawk. I've got a 4 day weekend here though so I'd be up for digging into that stuff a bit. Unfortunately I still need rings on number 3 like Hugh just did. I wanted to ask you what you think of that job, replacing rings on one cylinder I mean. I suppose it's safe as long as you get a good hone and install the new total seals dry. Those will be here in a few days and installed next weekend. We'd probably be better off talking on the phone don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted August 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 good to hear from you today Chip, we'l get this thing figure'd out one way or another ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiplee Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 good to hear from you today Chip, we'l get this thing figure'd out one way or another ;D hate to bring back an ancient thread but I need these files shelby is talking about in here, and the new software would be sweet too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 SHELBY whats easier? megasquirt - MEGATUNE or Hawk tuning software Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake88starquest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 I am running the Hawk as well! It was along install but its together adn runs! I only got a slight tune on it be4 the snow flew.. Howerver it was nice out the other day n took it for a spin.. So the tuning will start Reel Soon!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstieg Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I'm flying up to get mine in a week and plan to dyno tune it on Thurs. the 27th. Will be running the Hawk with their upgraded software. Might need a bit of a different map for the S256 turbo. I really like what I've seen so far with the software. Lots of options and the 125rpm incriment fields seem much better than MegaSquirts 12x12 tables. Will be glad to share maps later, assuming they'll be usable for anybody else. Question: What setting or modifier might I use to tune for better milage on the highway portions of my 1400 mile cruise? Any simple setting that will cut it or would a diff. map with lesser fuel at lower loads in the 2500-3800 rpm range be the way to go? It'll take 4 days with stops at friend's pads along the way, so don't worry that I'll be sleepy or get a sore rear end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiplee Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I'm flying up to get mine in a week and plan to dyno tune it on Thurs. the 27th. Will be running the Hawk with their upgraded software. Might need a bit of a different map for the S256 turbo. I really like what I've seen so far with the software. Lots of options and the 125rpm incriment fields seem much better than MegaSquirts 12x12 tables. Will be glad to share maps later, assuming they'll be usable for anybody else. Question: What setting or modifier might I use to tune for better milage on the highway portions of my 1400 mile cruise? Any simple setting that will cut it or would a diff. map with lesser fuel at lower loads in the 2500-3800 rpm range be the way to go? It'll take 4 days with stops at friend's pads along the way, so don't worry that I'll be sleepy or get a sore rear end. You could run it in closed loop or manually set it leaner than that by manipulating the maps directly. Most of your cruise will happen in 4 to 6 map points so if you had a passenger and a wideband you could have them input values slightly lower and lower until it cruised fine but was operating around 15:1 or even 16:1. You want to be careful here obviously but I've gotten as much as 27mpg out of my car on long trips. Yeah I couldn't handle 12x12 tables. I don't think you can even reduce the hawk that far down in resolution. You can reduce it though, and the computer will interpolate for values you didn't program. Got a copy of this "new software" everyone's talking about. Is it a firmware upgrade or just new tuning software? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstieg Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 You could run it in closed loop or manually set it leaner than that by manipulating the maps directly. Most of your cruise will happen in 4 to 6 map points so if you had a passenger and a wideband you could have them input values slightly lower and lower until it cruised fine but was operating around 15:1 or even 16:1. You want to be careful here obviously but I've gotten as much as 27mpg out of my car on long trips. Yeah I couldn't handle 12x12 tables. I don't think you can even reduce the hawk that far down in resolution. You can reduce it though, and the computer will interpolate for values you didn't program. Got a copy of this "new software" everyone's talking about. Is it a firmware upgrade or just new tuning software? I believe it's a firmware upgrade. Mine controls each injector vs. a simplier version where the injectors are wired as 2 pairs. I'm not sure about any other differences, since I've never run it before or used other versions. Tainters could maybe answer that, or perhaps Substock...he did most of the wiring before selling it to me. I do like the reduction capability for a quick initial tune, where it fills in the gaps of smaller rpm increments. I do have a wideband and we will be able to alter a highway map with lower values in that range. Now I'd really love to find a cheap ol' small laptop, wire it up, and toss a touchscreen monitor in there to tune on, but that's for another day. Also, I'm sure I could burn off a copy of the software when I get it back. Maybe even email it. Follow up in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiplee Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 I believe it's a firmware upgrade. Mine controls each injector vs. a simplier version where the injectors are wired as 2 pairs. I'm not sure about any other differences, since I've never run it before or used other versions. Tainters could maybe answer that, or perhaps Substock...he did most of the wiring before selling it to me. I do like the reduction capability for a quick initial tune, where it fills in the gaps of smaller rpm increments. I do have a wideband and we will be able to alter a highway map with lower values in that range. Now I'd really love to find a cheap ol' small laptop, wire it up, and toss a touchscreen monitor in there to tune on, but that's for another day. Also, I'm sure I could burn off a copy of the software when I get it back. Maybe even email it. Follow up in April. cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 i thought the Hawk was now call'd the Wolf or some thing like that some one was doing some diging to find this thread it's almost 4 yrs old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TainterRacing Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 hey can use a hand here can I download any ones Software or can they E-mail it to me AT MattTainter@hotmail.com We are running in to issuses with the 4 driver unit not wanting to work right with the software we have I have V1.6 right now does any one have any Idea's on what to try? The sensors are not reading right doesn any of have a 4 Driver map??? that they know works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstieg Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 hey can use a hand here can I download any ones Software or can they E-mail it to me AT MattTainter@hotmail.com We are running in to issuses with the 4 driver unit not wanting to work right with the software we have I have V1.6 right now does any one have any Idea's on what to try? The sensors are not reading right doesn any of have a 4 Driver map??? that they know works? Yes. Please help!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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