sittin-sideways Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 i was think of going to with a 5.0 HO with T5.but will like to know what you guy think is the best horsepower per doller and center of gravity and weight engine aroundat budget at 1000. i know that not realist but i dont have a the money to buy a ls1, 2jz, rb26dett. or sr20det.what are my options. dont worry will very open to better idea. mean goal for build nice drift car with rebile motor for under heavy load of drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Dont Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 5.0 are cheap and plenty of torque for drifting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliConquestAlex Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I think an early 90's mustang GT drivetrain swap would perform great. You could easily bolt on a procharger or turbo for more power later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINASQ Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 I think you'll nickle and dime past 1k. Unrealistic buget honestly. Unless you throw a carbed 350/th350 combo in the car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) I think you'll nickle and dime past 1k. Unrealistic buget honestly. Unless you throw a carbed 350/th350 combo in the car. yea right the oil pan alone is 400 bucks for the 350 swap.headers are the next high dollar item. if you only have $1,000 put some reliability in the 2.6.They are no where near as bad as some say if you keep them cool.Ever run the 2.6 hard and open the hood at night.The turbo glows red.Upgrade the turbo you've solved that problem.Upgrade the coolant fans and radiator.Then the fuel, and some hp'sThat 2.6 can be faster than a ford 302 or 350 chevy if you know what your doing.For a grand you'd be very happy with the 2.6 for 5 grand you'd be happy with a decent swap in the future of your choice. I actually love the 2.6 turbo, but swaps can be fun too!Been there done that, But you need a lsX engine to be cool these days...lol Edited January 3, 2014 by freebird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starion86ESI Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 For a grand you are just not making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Dont Posted January 3, 2014 Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 The 2.6 is a headache they will never have the torque or top end to make a drifter happy. Yah they can be fast but they don't like drifting very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sittin-sideways Posted January 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2014 i dont have a engine anymore or tranny, that way i am asking about swaping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clow340 Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 hear me out here. a ford 2.3 out of a turbo coupe or svo. you can buy the whole car for under a grand, running with a t5 trans, and the turbo motor is bullet proof in stock form, and easily taken to 350hp using a stock turbo from an svo and bigger injectors. and if you blow it up, cool beans. just go get a 2.3 out of a ranger and grenade that one, or put the stock forged turbo pistons in a truck motor and now its a turbo motor. and later on if you want to upgrade the internals the aftermarket is beyond saturated from decades of circle track racing. just something to ponder.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 turboford.org has a bunch of proven combinations listed. No 2.3 even approaches 350hp with the stock T3Not a chance from such an inefficient stock 2 valve head.starter and sump maybe a major pita roadblock for a starquest swap. Research it ....and that motor won't like sustained rpm driftin any more than a 2.6. Seen many driftin? a cheap beatup 5.0/T5 donor probably your best chance of makin it happen for a gran. Tough tire shredders old 1st gen 300zx vg30 ET r also smooth as silk, tough, cheap/donor, huge potential, and will fry tires forever, even with its stock T3 turbo. Early models come with a T5 alsoDunno how much hassle to swap into a starquest tho, but.... there is a nice vg30 stazz on austarion forum, so it IS doable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sittin-sideways Posted January 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 Thank alot guy for tip, so i will will choose which one ia not to hard to swap, so fAr i know 5.0 pretty easy from post i saw here on starquestclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 5.0 will be your best bet. You can do it for a grand if you recycle everything you can and hunt for parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasQuest Posted January 4, 2014 Report Share Posted January 4, 2014 You'd be hard pressed to find a motor swap for less than a grand other than the Ford 5.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malykaii Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) My stance from the mustang world... the 5.0 is a little outdated and only made 220hp stock. For a couple more dollars why not go ford modular. You can grab a 4.6 or 5.4 from a junk yard and have 260hp at the very least. No need to rebuild it since most cabs here in nyc roll over 500k on the original motor and the timing chain unserviced (friend was a taxi mehanic). Get anything you need from a crown vic and your set. A t45 is cheap as well. Feel like spending a little more then grab a 5.4 and find some dohc heads and your set for over 320hp and a ton of torque... all at your local u pull. However, I find it difficult that you'll swap in anything for under a grand. Like above, unless you weld in a carbed 350 chevy and find one in a u pull that is already in spec and can be rebuilt with a hone/ rings and a bearing roll in you'll go over budget. Just finding another g54b and tranny to bolt back in will get you at a grand. I just swapped a g54b for a g54btubo and spent more. I did it all with used unreliable parts to save, and still went over a grand. And its a bolt in swap, so no money spent on fab work. Only real cheap option I can suggest is jeep stroker. Grab a 4.0 block and 4.2 internals. Combine for 4.6. Any old school ford 24lb injectors and pre obd2 Cherokee High Output intake and exaust amd harness. No tuning needed. Its narrow so no need to worry about fitting like with a v8. Mate to a 2wd jeep tranny, prefferably post 96 for an external slave cyl. Its a strong tranny so it will take abuse, and can be had for $80. Rebuilding with rock auto closeout parts is cheap, and no need to rebuild the head cause if your junk yard one is crap, its a pushrod design so you can swap the head in under an hour with another junk yard one. Bring a spare to the race track for all it matters its that easy. They rarely crack and its damn near imposible to blow a head gasket. I've seen these things built for about $800 and make 280 hp. Edited January 9, 2014 by Malykaii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clow340 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 im all for the mod motors, but i drive a stick shift thunderbird with the 4.6 everyday and it has the typical bad valve guide and seal problem on the right bank with 50000 miles. they burn oil like crazy if it wasnt changed every 3500 miles for its entire life (irrelevant of mileage) , or when you start beating on them the heads also cant take the abuse. once you figure out the top end, they have no problems. however the first engine in the car had 160000 when it tossed a rod. i can also weigh in on the jeep 4.0, i have a supercharged 87 with a 92 engine and an ax15. great engines, basically a 10 spline r154 if 2 wheel drive, just way too heavy.. also its pretty long and tall (much more than a 2j) to fit with lots of oil pan mods to make work correctly. no matter how 'out dated' the 5.0 is, its dirt cheap and also much easier to achieve a higher power goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Yeah I love a mod motor but It would be a tight fit. The 2j doesn't seem that big until you try to squeeze in in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19cturbo Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 best advice braden could give is to call me..... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'm tired of you sassin me boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19cturbo Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'm tired of you sassin me boy. but i love you... in all seriousness though it all comes down to you as a builder and what you can do... 5.0 will be a pretty good powerplant and will be cheap to make horsepower with. It has also been done before so you should be able to find some information about it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malykaii Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Clow340. You really know your stuff on this topic. Glad I learned something new about something unrelated to mitsus. Regarding 4.6... my mustang gt has 160k and prob has been beaten on as I'm owner 6. I loose a quart of oil between oil changes and figured between a tiny leak I can't see and prob burning between the rings, that's it. Never occured to me to check the heads. Plus when I blew a coil and was using the snap on modis missfire and cyl contribution test and it showed negative contribution on all cyl. So prob minor head issues and that oil burn. Any chance you can pm me with ssome info on what needs to get done to fix this. Thanks regardless. I also have the Romeo Plant higher flow heads which are better, but prob still prone to the issues you mentioned. Jeep 4.6 stroker... I can't think of a more resilient engine that you can build to make 300hp and cost 700 $ complete... but if in this aplication it will cost another 700 $ just to get it in, scrap my idea. (Unkess you do what saab did with the 900turbo and put it in at a 45 degree angle... why not put it in backwards too while your at it... worked for saab lolz) Not bashing the 5.0... don't think its outdated by much, just that other options like 4.6 are more up to date. 350 chevy carbed would be outdated, and a carb on a drifter won't work out. Carbs hate angles and fuel iregulariries. 5.0 is cheap, powerful, and tough, and a drift car needs tough. Plus if its been done and a proven setup, go for it. Only downside is the trannys. T45 and T5 shift like crap. They are notchy and easy to miss a gear. Not to mention the awful cable clutch. Run penzoil synchromesh and an aftermarket shifter I'd say. Edited January 10, 2014 by Malykaii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sittin-sideways Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 ok if i can bring my budget up from 1000 to 2000.here the poll, i would let you guy vote here. this top three motors. ls1 vs 5.0 vs 1jz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malykaii Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I doubt you can comfortaby do either ls1 or 1jz for that budget. If you checked the for sale section every day of relevent forums of each engine and pieced the parts together doing plenty of research to know what to buy and at what quality... sure. But if you want to build your way and order what would fit your needs not what was available and cheap... 5.0 Plus drifting does a number on your car so getting new or performance parts for reliability and resilience would be in your favor. At 2k $ I feel you'll be very happy with a 5.0 as oposed to hard pressed and broke. Heck, pair it to a New Edge Mustang GT rear end for maximum reliability. Comes with a LSD and 3.73 gears. For drifting I'd highly recomend a V8 and would vote ford modular or chevy LS... but since its a bidget build, 5.0 sounds almosy obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sittin-sideways Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 thank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Dont Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 People that are saying to use a ford modular obviously have no clue how wide they are and the trans for the ls1 will blow you budget out of the water alone. Good luck and be prepared for the unexpected, you will nickel and dime your self to death for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-R-Quest Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 you will nickel and dime your self to death for sure. Amen! Whatever you plan on spending, double that. If you are lucky you will be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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