VICE Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) I've dropped the numbers some in the current VE table I'm running and I notice it doesn't smoke a cloud when I floor it now.. But it seems to lean out if I drop the numbers below like 170 in the midrange so it almost seems to want at least 170.. I've TRIED running Eeaton's VE table and Jah's VE and they both lean out like crazy as soon as I step on it hard.. Part of the turbo and mani are still getting RED hot after I drive it.. Here are the new numbers..http://lh5.ggpht.com/_hllfg0A_1bY/Sx0v7ghl4II/AAAAAAAABL0/ZD_Xko78Z24/s800/NewVE.jpg Edited December 7, 2009 by VICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) what is your base timing.....that fuel map is worse than it was before...I will post one... Edited December 7, 2009 by BOHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_insanity Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 if its glowing that red in the day time, i would say you are running pretty lean up high. you shouldnt be able to see the glow in the daytime, but you might see it in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosted89quest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 anyone have a good runnin car that can post their maps up and include the mods they have?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 what is your base timing.....that fuel map is worse than it was before...I will post one... Where is that Map Boho.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psu_Crash Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Here is the Fuel and Timing VE currently in my car. I can't tell you why the fuel map isn't a steady upward trend as it should be but this map works very well for me with 75# (aprox 780cc) injectors and base fuel pressure at 38psi. The map that VICE posted has some SERIOUS issues. I think maybe the constants he has set aren't correct to get a map like that. VICE, what is your Req_Fuel set at?http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4500/timingmap122709.jpghttp://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8147/fuelmap122709.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) My Req Fuel is at 40PSI and at 4.5 - Inj. Open time is at 1.0 - Battery voltage .20 - PWM Current is at 75 - PWM Threshhold is at 1.5 - PWM USEC is at 66 - Speed density - 2 squirts per engine cycle - Inj. Staging is at Simultaneous. OH and ever since I switched to 2 squirts per cycle from 4 squirts, it stopped smoking at idle and at boost BUT it now boosts sorta lean and it has ALWAYS boosted on the 10's and 11's with the old Haltech F7C that I had removed so wt....! Edited January 29, 2010 by VICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Should be on Alternating..Not simultaneous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Should be on Alternating..Not simultaneous. I tried that but it dies instantly and it wont even turn back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 What injectors do you have? Your Req. Fuel is probably too low...Raise it to 5.5 or so....It Has to be on Alternating for it to run right... Its not an "option"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) What injectors do you have? Your Req. Fuel is probably too low...Raise it to 5.5 or so....It Has to be on Alternating for it to run right... Its not an "option"...... 5.5 ? Everyone else is at 4.3 and running like 750cc Injs. I am runing Delphi low impedance 95lb injectors and I figured Alternating would be better as I see everyone else is set on Alternating but my engine turns off if I switch it and that would be cutting fuel in half..(NOTE it runs on 10 to 13's in the Wide Band driving very slow, then boosts on 14-15) I'll raise the fuel to 5.5 tho and see if it makes a diffy. Any ideas on why the engine turns off if I switch to Alternating? Edited January 31, 2010 by VICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) What injectors do you have? Your Req. Fuel is probably too low...Raise it to 5.5 or so....It Has to be on Alternating for it to run right... Its not an "option"...... Dude the change to 5.5 made it run much better, boosting now around 12. Hey psu_crash I tried your VE table as well and it (put puts) and doesn't go anywhere just like the other guys VE's.. I am running your Ignition table and its similar but I can't tell if anything changes when I switch tables.. Same thing happens if I try to switch to Alternating Inj. Staging, the engine stalls and wont run. Edited January 31, 2010 by VICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Here is something to look at....Maybe your inj. banks are off. It should be 1 & 4 on bank 1 and 2&3 on bank 2...Can you verify this...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Here is something to look at....Maybe your inj. banks are off. It should be 1 & 4 on bank 1 and 2&3 on bank 2...Can you verify this...?;Hmm I thought that did not matter I asked this question somewhere.. It appears that they are paired like this: 1&2 and 3&4 but Imma have to follow the wires.. it does matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 You are right...I don't know why I was thinking that...Sorry for the confusion.... Vice have you verified timing with a timing light? All of my issues have been timing related...causing...."fuel like symptoms"....Both on EDIS and distributor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) You are right...I don't know why I was thinking that...Sorry for the confusion.... Vice have you verified timing with a timing light? All of my issues have been timing related...causing...."fuel like symptoms"....Both on EDIS and distributor... Not exactly.. I bought a timing light for $40 a few weeks ago used it but I don't think I used it right.. So I am not sure where its at exactly.. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD: It does not matter how the injectors are Banked, anyone thinks otherwise? Edited February 3, 2010 by VICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 The way you have it is correct....They way I told you to do it is the only wrong way...lol. I was thinking timing for some reason. My car was running on EDIS idled well...free reved good....but under load would not run...poped..bucked...LEAN....My EDIS was running in limp mode....steady timing at like 6 degrees BTDC.... You need to find someone with a light...Heron should have one. Just verify that what MS says it actual....Then verify that it is changing with RPM's...I gagagaruntee that this is part of your problem man. Or thats my theory anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 at high rpms the inj pairing won't matter but at idle rpm it sure will , the cyl with open intake valve needs to be spraying , mostguys forget that tdc is ign fireing point not inj opening point , inj fires on open ontake valve and the other on close'd valve you can see what inj is fireing and when with a led inj noid lamp and turning the engine over slowly , when the coil fires for tdc #1 the led should not light up , but the inj for cyl 3 should , cause it's got the intake valve open on intake stroke cyl #2 is on the exh stroke so that inj should be fireing also , pair'd injs fire twice once with valve close and once with it open , this alows twice the fuelover a single inj fireing a few systems like the older volvo's fire'd the inj at each ign event this gave 4 pluse opening and alow'd for smaller injs , the cyl fireing has the intake valve close'd , but the vast majority of cars use pair'd inj fireing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) at high rpms the inj pairing won't matter but at idle rpm it sure will , the cyl with open intake valve needs to be spraying , mostguys forget that tdc is ign fireing point not inj opening point , inj fires on open ontake valve and the other on close'd valve you can see what inj is fireing and when with a led inj noid lamp and turning the engine over slowly , when the coil fires for tdc #1 the led should not light up , but the inj for cyl 3 should , cause it's got the intake valve open on intake stroke cyl #2 is on the exh stroke so that inj should be fireing also , pair'd injs fire twice once with valve close and once with it open , this alows twice the fuelover a single inj fireinga few systems like the older volvo's fire'd the inj at each ign event this gave 4 pluse opening and alow'd for smaller injs , the cyl fireing has the intake valve close'd , but the vast majority of cars use pair'd inj fireing Yeah it sure does matter (overall performance), when I finally figured it out and actually got the motor running good on MegaSquirt with the Alternating Staged injectors, immediately I noticed like half the fuel consumption, given my tunes we're super rich already =D Indiana got my MegaSquirt when I sold all my G54B parts and it had my latest Tune in the MegaSquirt, I'm sure he changed it up or built a tune from that one... This is all good info and a good Thread Topic for all the StandAloner users especially MegaSquirter's lol... I am gonna be Tuning the Haltech Rotary Engine ECU in my SQ verry soon.. Edited August 13, 2011 by VICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 I just had to get Vices name off of this page.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19cturbo Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I suppose i can contribute to this madness here. Megasquirt MSII 3.57.Magna intake4x 75LB injectors (780cc)Ford Edis ignition systemGm coolant temp, and IAT sensor.Holset HX35 turbo20PSI3 Inch exhaust2.5 inch intercooler pipe29x11x3 intercooler This setup is running really well for me, its not 100% complete but very close. Work done by scott87star. Basic settingshttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/ENGINECONSTANTS.jpg Ignition tablehttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/IGNITIONTABLE.jpg Fuel tablehttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/FUELTABLE.jpg AFR tablehttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/AFRTABLE.jpg Accel enrichhttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/ACCELENRICH.jpg Warm up enrichhttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/WUETABLE.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliConquestAlex Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) I suppose i can contribute to this madness here. Megasquirt MSII 3.57.Magna intake4x 75LB injectors (780cc)Ford Edis ignition systemGm coolant temp, and IAT sensor.Holset HX35 turbo20PSI3 Inch exhaust2.5 inch intercooler pipe29x11x3 intercooler This setup is running really well for me, its not 100% complete but very close. Work done by scott87star. Basic settingshttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/ENGINECONSTANTS.jpg Ignition tablehttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/IGNITIONTABLE.jpg Fuel tablehttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/FUELTABLE.jpg AFR tablehttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/AFRTABLE.jpg Accel enrichhttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/ACCELENRICH.jpg Warm up enrichhttp://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/19cturbo/MPI%20project/WUETABLE.jpg Thanks for posting this. I'll probably use this as a start for my tune. Edited May 17, 2012 by CaliConquestAlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHARDmitsu. Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 19cturbo, Are those 780cc injectors hi or low impedance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19cturbo Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Low impedance. I put a resistor box inine on mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 are you even able to make boost with that fuel table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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