Squrlsquash Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I want to compete at the willow springs 24 hours of lemons with a starion (A 24 hour endurance race where the car must be worth $500) However, Car and Driver had this to say on the subject"in seven years of LeMons racing and 10 or so Starions, only one has managed to run more than a few dozen laps in a race. In fact, we’re going to make it a definitive statement: The Mitsubishi Starion is the worst possible choice, in the entire universe, for a 24 Hours of LeMons car."http://blog.caranddriver.com/lemons-wisdom-vs-conventional-wisdom-17-cars-that-should-dominate-but-dont-camaro-supra-gti%E2%80%94ahoy/ Plan is to run a widebody with a montero carb setup and re-wire for bare necessitydestressed motor reliability, lsd handling, 20 gallon gas tankWhy shoulden't this work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw458 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 It usually doesn't work because a $500 SQ has significant issues that cost more to fix then the race budget allows unless you cheat or get really lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyquest Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Wasn't this asked not long ago? Unless I'm going crazy it sounds like the exact same question lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyquest Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I am crazy, something similar was asked but not the same thing and not by the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G54Bstore Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 A 500 dollar SQ doesn't run for 24 hrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 about the only way a $500 SQ will make it 24 hours at LeMons http://turbomirage.com/starion/8_2_03/tow1.jpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINASQ Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Hey if you do it, I'll join your team as a driver. Also, join GrassRootsMotorsports forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeintheconquest Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Then again, many of the cars entered in this race don't make it....Starion or not! I say go for it. It'll be fun no matter how long she makes it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You need a massive radiator and a huge cooling fan that can suck the oxygen out of the nearby atmosphere to cool it off. That's the #1 reason why most Starions dont make it past a few laps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyquest Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 If its an automatic put a larger cooler on it also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markhansenconquest Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) ITs a lemon race............ Edited July 27, 2015 by markhansenconquest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuze Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I wonder how much those damn thermosensors are to blame for that result. If you can keep it from overheating you have probably conquered the biggest problem. If you have a good alternator, jumper the fans to a switch and splice the A/C fan into the rest. Lose the A/C core and I dunno, rip the header panel off lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G54Bstore Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Put some Toyota junk in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntercooledFlatty Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 A 500 dollar SQ doesn't run fixed it for ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squrlsquash Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Assumption is it would run much cooler without a turbo Thought was to replace intercooler with a second radiator in series, and put two oem oil coolers in series as well Would be a manual (to avoid auto problems^)- would be looking to pick up a spare trans just in case Idea is to have a slowpoke car with a big gas tank to pound out laps consistently(rather than bursting into flames after a few boosted fast laps) Thanks for comments, would be looking to compete next june Edited July 27, 2015 by Squrlsquash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw458 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 If it's overheating it's not the turbos fault. It's usually a plugged up radiator. Besides making the car NA carbed is going to make it slow. A slow car isn't as much fun. Instead of removing the turbo and putting in a car why not get a different vehicle. I've thought about using a ford escort with a 5 psi turbo. Should be around 120-140 hp and 500 lbs lighter than a SQ. An early 90s car with late 90s engine parts makes a 2500 lb car with about 100 hp before the turbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINASQ Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 My good friend raced a chevette with a 4g63 swap and t5 in lemons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 One of my customers ran an 80s Porsche 944, gutted, full on roll cage, suspension work and finely tuned turbo engine. His brake set up alone had to have been well over $500. Hell, I think his radiator was over $500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasQuest Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 If cooling is your issue an aluminum radiator and clutch fan & shroud should suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 I say go do it anyway and have some fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 I've always wanted to do this too. One of the host tracks, MSR Houston, is about thirty minutes south of me. Would love to put together a crew. Any takers here in Texas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw458 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Keep in mind the carb montero setup when new was around 110hp. With an older tired engine expect less than that. A 100 hp SQ will be slow and annoying. If you want to see if you can live with the lack of power then disconnect the wastegate arm from the actuator and ride around with zero boost. That will make you re-think taking the turbo off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINASQ Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 You run to have fun. Forget about being competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 You run to have fun. Forget about being competitive. My sentiments exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw458 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 It's more fun when it's a car you don't mind crashing. If the thought of crumpling up sexy SQ fenders is too much for you then a SQ isn't the right car. I would take a car that I wouldn't feel bad about crashing. Something reasonably quick, cheap and disposable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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