importwarrior Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 It always comes down to a good tune. I agree.For the OP.If you can find a European or Japanese 4G63 in a starion...Maybe one of the JDM importers can get it for you.They are a direct bolt in.Besides the d50 auto 4G64 and 4G63 wideblockswith the proper motor mounts here in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87-88-89 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) Been looking at this swap too Edited October 26, 2015 by 87-88-89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 thats a good find. great pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 4g63 swap does not have to be costly. Tooooo many examples out there. A bunch of mighty max/D50 4g63 swaps detailed also.check http://projectzerog.com/ http://forums.austarion.com/viewforum.php?f=13 who is many?. Never heard of him lolcan more than 2 people on here raise their hands who went MPI and did not blow upbecause of a tuning issue but made 450 plus hp, then swapped to 4g63 and was even happier and made even more power?Please raise your hands... u won't find 'many' here with 450+hp 54 either. Austarion has 'many' gone from nice sohc mpi to dohc... way happier Lots more folks out there happy with TBI 54, so I'm sure a MPI 54 satisfy its share The lure of a 4g63/4 is what opens up a whole new world of optionsno mpi conversion needed. No dohc dreaming. No cracking 2.6 blocks or heads.want cams that "work" ? wanna scream to/past 8000 rpm ? want proven 5,6,7,800 hp(or beyond) combos ? want real power from "tunable" stock mitsu electronics ? .....just to name a fewLike I said, all depends on your goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemon Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't want to thread jack but i felt this was the best place to ask...Would it be safe/ok to just make a Simple plate that makes a "narrow block" 4g63 An inch wider so it just bolts in or would the engine mounts not work? I'm asking because I'm not sure but it sounds like the difference it the narrow/wide 4g blocks is just that the bolts for the trans is an inch wider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Bill Hincher is the guy to make any trans work on just about any car.he has made a few for some guys on this site that have gone 4G63 and 6G72. his website can use some work..... http://www.billsautofab.com/ http://www.billsautofab.com/recent_mit.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowquest Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't want to thread jack but i felt this was the best place to ask...Would it be safe/ok to just make a Simple plate that makes a "narrow block" 4g63 An inch wider so it just bolts in or would the engine mounts not work? I'm asking because I'm not sure but it sounds like the difference it the narrow/wide 4g blocks is just that the bolts for the trans is an inch wider The bolt holes will "overlap", it's been tried, won't work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemon Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 The bolt holes will "overlap", it's been tried, won't work.That's what I was asking, Thank you for understanding my question and giving me a forward answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullzaflare Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 who is many?. Never heard of him lolcan more than 2 people on here raise their hands who went MPI and did not blow upbecause of a tuning issue but made 450 plus hp, then swapped to 4g63 and was even happier and made even more power?Please raise your hands...old thread loli was MPI with a canon, 1000cc injectors, hx40 billet, i was VERY happy with the setup, had a few querks with the IAC, and occasionally a hiccup from weather. However i was VERY happy at 26psi, never had it on the dyno but from similar setups assumed 350-400hpOne day i broke a u-joint that ruined the driveshaft at the drag strip. Was going to swap a turbo lq4 6.0, but then swapped a mitsu dieseli miss the power, and if i had the money, i would do the exact same setup again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullzaflare Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 The bolt holes will "overlap", it's been tried, won't work.That's what I was asking, Thank you for understanding my question and giving me a forward answer.what about clocking the transmission a few degrees?if you use a rx7 trans with a truck bell housing it fits but clocks it like 15 degrees, and its no harm, why can one not do the same with this? would have to modify the transmount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowquest Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 other than the shifter not sitting in a stock position, it should work. Never crossed my mind to try that. BTW, not sure if it's been mentioned, but the popular myth that 2 starquest motor mount brackets will work is FALSE. The brackets from a D50/Mighty Max WILL work with either 4G63/64, narrow or wide. They are still available new from Mitsubishi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autotr8er2 Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Sooo, we gonna do this thing or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 here is your d.i.y. plate to put a starion box onto a dsm narrow block 'on a budget'http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb199/Miggles62/Starion/conversion018-1.jpgtaken from this threadhttp://forums.austarion.com/viewtopic.php?t=10602too bad austarion requires registering to see build threads... for whatever reasonTons of swap ideas detailed on that site tho, so may be worth it.http://forums.austarion.com/viewforum.php?f=13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasQuest Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 RX7 trans will no hold enough torque. They're made for high revving torqueless rotaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullzaflare Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 RX7 trans will no hold enough torque. They're made for high revving torqueless rotaries.never said it would lol, no one said to use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 dunno man.... I witnessed a sheety lookin turbo II run a 9.8sec then two 9.6sec passes back ~1996. Unheard of at the time100% full weight street car. Stock 13b(moded obviously) and 5spd. He sprayed 75 shot too tho.I spoke to the owner while he fiddled with the car between runs, but lost track of him goin back and forthNo weak box can do that! No full wt street car gonna et that quick with "no torque" ....and street turbo rotaries are not particularly 'high revving', I'd say smooth but not high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullzaflare Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 dunno man.... I witnessed a sheety lookin turbo II run a 9.8sec then two 9.6sec passes back ~1996. Unheard of at the time100% full weight street car. Stock 13b(moded obviously) and 5spd. He sprayed 75 shot too tho.I spoke to the owner while he fiddled with the car between runs, but lost track of him goin back and forthNo weak box can do that! No full wt street car gonna et that quick with "no torque" ....and street turbo rotaries are not particularly 'high revving', I'd say smooth but not highdoubt he had a stock trans, they are the same strength as a miata trans, not strong, i would say close to what ours can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 i'm sure it was the stock turbo II 5spd. Dude was a no-nonsense quiet type who willingly shared his modsa rotary veteran who knew how to get the most out of a setup. Makes a big difference. Both 10sec miatas I know of ran rx7 turbo II 5spds (after killing the weaker miata 5spds). A common upgradehttp://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=427252 quite a few turbo IIs in the hi 400s tq on stock 5spds. Miata box wouldn't get closeFor ex this one at 395 ft-lbs gone mid 10s, no spray. Heavy driver says ~3000 pounds with himhttp://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-dyno-128/new-dynoo-490-hp-395-tq-593729/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionbull Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 4g63 swap does not have to be costly. Tooooo many examples out there. A bunch of mighty max/D50 4g63 swaps detailed also.check http://projectzerog....tzerog.com/ http://forums.austar...wforum.php?f=13 u won't find 'many' here with 450+hp 54 either. Austarion has 'many' gone from nice sohc mpi to dohc... way happier Lots more folks out there happy with TBI 54, so I'm sure a MPI 54 satisfy its share The lure of a 4g63/4 is what opens up a whole new world of optionsno mpi conversion needed. No dohc dreaming. No cracking 2.6 blocks or heads.want cams that "work" ? wanna scream to/past 8000 rpm ? want proven 5,6,7,800 hp(or beyond) combos ? want real power from "tunable" stock mitsu electronics ? .....just to name a fewLike I said, all depends on your goal you had me at 8000rpm lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionbull Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) Turbo 2 tranny is no stronger than ours.Best chance is the FD gen 3 car tranny.RX guys are still blowing those^^ up and if you get one it will be abused.Now if you could get one new from the dealer, like back in the day, then I would say they can hold the torque. Edited June 9, 2015 by lionbull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 Turbo 2 tranny is no stronger than oursI'll believe that when we see some street starions going 10s on oe 5spd, like the 7 guys..... forget 9sHasn't happened after all these years...... wait for it if ya like Any box can break, and "hold the torque" is subjectiveRX7 boxes select at higher rpms too. Try it with a starquest box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullzaflare Posted June 9, 2015 Report Share Posted June 9, 2015 I'm seeing MAX 350-400hp on t2 turbo trans. I still say that 9/10s car had a transmission swap or built trans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 if u r guided by drawing these little imaginary boxes around everything, that's fine. I stick to seeing proofSome FC guys have blown up the 5spds at less that 250hp. Try telling them "u think" they can handle 400hp MAXI'll bet many folks told that guy no 100% street turbo II could touch 10s either.... yet 9.65sec laterI'd rather discuss driveline component capability in torque. 350-400hp MAX says nothing really. 13b vs 4g64 = apple vs orangeShock kills more boxes/driveline components than anything. Show us how you measured that ?"coltboostin" posted his 567hp 4g64 rx7 here. stock turbo II 5spdBottom line is, there are tooooo many cars out there that break all of those "little rules" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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