CaliConquestAlex Posted December 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 I'm going to take the turbine housing off the turbo and check around the seal to see if its leaking there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmyj Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 that oil does have water in it or better known as milkshake. 95 psi seems a little low to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott87star Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Looks like a rear turbo seal. Plugs are relatively clean but everything downstream of the turbine is wet with oil film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliConquestAlex Posted December 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 The turbine housing is the only place the oil looks like that. I think its just oil mixed with condensation. It's been really cold here lately and I've got no cats. I took the turbine housing off the turbo and i think i found the culprit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TainterRacing Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 mmm do you have a re-stricter on the turbo oil feed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliConquestAlex Posted December 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 I do have a restrictor on the oil feed. Maybe I'll make if smaller. I guess i can get a rebuild kit with a 360 degree bearing and better seals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TainterRacing Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) The quest has very high oil pressure to the turbo feed line. What brand is the turbo? Edited December 22, 2013 by TainterRacing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrngwae Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) Alex, it is real easy to pull the vband on the turbo to see if the hot side wheel is wet with oil. my guess is turbo. I have burned a few up trouble shooting my correct feed rate. it did exactly what you described. i thought that was it. like i said. i have burned a few seals on my holset trying to set the correct feed rate. feel good knowing thats all it was and cheaper than a bottom end. but on a side note, your compression test came back odd. that is an awfully far swing on the numbers. just so you know. i see Scott has you on them e3 plugs lol.. Alex, is that a holset turbo? i have a .35mm restrictor in my oil feed. the reason it took a bit for it to smoke at cold start up was the egts had to get high enough to start burning the oil. Edited December 22, 2013 by wrngwae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliConquestAlex Posted December 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) I put it all back together with my spare turbo and it's still smoking. At idle there is a strong force of air pushing out from valve cover with the oil cap off. I'm thinking it's blowby from the piston rings. Edited December 24, 2013 by CaliConquestAlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHARDmitsu. Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) i thought that was it. like i said. i have burned a few seals on my holset trying to set the correct feed rate. feel good knowing thats all it was and cheaper than a bottom end. but on a side note, your compression test came back odd. that is an awfully far swing on the numbers. just so you know. i see Scott has you on them e3 plugs lol.. Alex, is that a holset turbo? i have a .35mm restrictor in my oil feed. the reason it took a bit for it to smoke at cold start up was the egts had to get high enough to start burning the oil..35mm is too small in my opinion, that could kill the turbo from oil starvation.I put it all back together with my spare turbo and it's still smoking. At idle there is a strong force of air pushing out from valve cover with the oil cap off. I'm thinking it's blowby from the piston rings.Seems to me that you have two issues at hand, the bottom is loosing compression and that causes excessive blow by. I've tested stock motors with over 100k miles and they yielded over 120PSI. Yours is too low especially for a rebuilt motor.The turbine seal is shot, maybe the oil restrictor is too large.What Brand of turbo are you running?What size orifice does the restrictor have? Also, did you inspect your crankcase check valve(s) to see if any are stuck? If you haven't, put a straw on it and blow in the direction its suppose to flow. Edited December 24, 2013 by DieHARDmitsu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullzaflare Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) what brand is the turbo? i run no restrictor with a an4 feed for my holset, i actually just killed a older h1c (single feed) thrust bearing trashed. i have never blown a oil seal on the holsets you have the same issue i had a while back, combination of 2 things. 1st, you have a cracked ringland, thats the smoke out the valve cover, and 2, possibly from the excessive pressure in the case going up the turbo return, your rear turbo seal went out i had the same thing happen, couldnt figure out what, was figuring all motor, changed the headgasket and replaced valve seals, same thing. changed seal on turbo, same thing. replaced turbo fixed exhaust but still had smoke coming out the valve cover. got a junk motor locally, pulled this one apart to find 2 cracked ringlands compression test showed good, however leakdown test on the otherhand... Edited December 24, 2013 by Skullzaflare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 did you by chance just get an alignment done?...... Blowby my man. you need to upsize fellow! theres next to no vacuum from the intake. Thats an emissions thang. Disconnect rear vent and leave open. Go for another run and see what happens. Youll notice the oil smell but look for smoke out the tailpipe again. If it goes away, hook your stuff up again and see if it comes back. Blowby will murder your turbo BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarquestRescue Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 compression test showed good, however leakdown test on the otherhand...I have seen the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 95-115!!!! holy crapola. screw what i said earlier. I just saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 yeah, but his comp check does not show good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarquestRescue Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) yeah, but his comp check does not show goodOthers have noted that. however in post 5 he said he had 90 on all 4 6 mouths ago. So his gauge may be off. A local guy had a little piece of oil ring missing. His car smoked like a steam engine. That car cranked 140. Edited December 25, 2013 by StarquestRescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 well, then he needs to go get a new gauge haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potamus Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 It sounds like my car when I broke a valve guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrngwae Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 It sounds like my car when I broke a valve guide. Hey Kevin, his plugs looked all the same tho....I have said turbo seals and cracked ring land. But john has a good idea, leak down test. I would loosen the cam caps to where the valves seal and do a leak down on each cyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullzaflare Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 It sounds like my car when I broke a valve guide.with the condition of his plugs, and oil covered turbine, only way that would work is if a exhaust guide got damaged, if he pulls the manifold he could find out if you want to test if its the turbo or a guide, if you pull the turbo out of the hotside, and unhook your maf (it will be loud) start the car with oil lines either still on the turbo or into the valve cover (dont use a cup you loose alot of oil fast) and keep it running for a minute and see if it starts smoking out of the manifold.im still on the ringlands and turbo rear seal though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliConquestAlex Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Update. I took the head off and snapped a few pics. I don't see anything that jumps out at me with the cylinder bores or the cylinder head. I looked at the head combustion chambers and didn't see any cracks or signs of irregularity. See the pics below: http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s415/apordes/IMG_1770_zps6c74a32b.jpg http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s415/apordes/IMG_1769_zps48e0dfc7.jpg http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s415/apordes/IMG_1773_zps5a35ece8.jpg http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s415/apordes/IMG_1776_zpsf2210c02.jpg http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s415/apordes/IMG_1777_zps791aa19a.jpg http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s415/apordes/IMG_1771_zpsafb14e31.jpg http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s415/apordes/IMG_1774_zpsbd52642e.jpg http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s415/apordes/IMG_1772_zps794a7465.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliConquestAlex Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Any help or opinions are much appreciated. The pics of the cylinder bores are hard to take because without a flash they are too dark, and with the flash there is some distortion and reflection. I sprayed WD-40 on the inside of the cylinders to keep them moist and I ran my hand and finger nail around the inside of each cylinder to feel for scratches. Nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliConquestAlex Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I guess the upside is that now I have plenty of access to do the manual steering swap I've been wanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHARDmitsu. Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) The shiny black coating on the pistons and cylinder head indicates oil buring. Excessive carbon build up will show matt black.I suggest you pop out the pistons and check for broken rings or cracked ring lands while you're down there. Edited January 30, 2014 by DieHARDmitsu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliConquestAlex Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I haven't pulled the pan yet so I'm going to get the head pressure tested first before looking into the bottom end. I let the engine run for a bit a few times with the smoke pouring out the exhaust so that could be why the pistons are coated, but I'm still unsure if it's a cracked head or piston ring issue. What I do know is that I took the valve cover off and ran the engine prior to disassembly yesterday and the oil was very milkshaked in the head. For some reason when I pull the dipstick it doesn't look milkshaked. Hopefully the block isn't cracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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