Dyno today.

[boostdquest89]

I like where this is going

[StarquestRescue]

yeah, hotside is effective, but still won't magicaly turn 63 hp numbers fom a 54. Wish it was that ez

A good cam/proper valve timing is essential, to get the VE up there

When any one of u meticulous sharp cats, pursue a good cam & sweat the details..... the results tell the tale

.... like bluecooks' dad or tainter for eg

eipquest later 60-1 saw 28psi for 430hp. Stock cam, big T4

You contradict your self right here. You say a stock cam is no good than point out that eip made 430 on the stock cam. After they tried every hing else Your dreaming if you think there is a magic cam out there. There is no way blue cooks car would lose a 100hp by going back to a stock cam.

 

His dad tuned the car, blue cook was not really sure what got done when and how. If you search blue cooks post you will find one where the car made a 100hp less. On a different turbo, 14g i think, and who knows what else. Just because blue cook claimed a 100 hp from the magic cam does not make true. It if it was, it was a comparison between a screwed up grind and one that matched the spec his dad wanted.

 

People go ape crap around here over cams, because it is some thing cheep that even the newest of the nubes think they can bolt on in a afternoon and make power.

[Dred_85.5_TSI]

yup a cam is only part of the engine, by its self it won't make a car faster unless everything else works with it. Just like you can't bolt a huge turbo to a stock car and expect it to run well with out other mods, it just doesn't work.

[Funky Phil]

just for comparison;

remember coltbostin 4g64 ? junkyard hyundai head/oe cams. 28psi = 564hp. Same mods on a 54 won't see within 100hp

u can 'flow' the nile..... but without cam timing to ingest the air...???

bluecook gained almost 100hp from extensive cam r&d alone. Same turbo with its 'big' hotside. Same hp range

stock cam 54s just don't put up dohc numbers via a big hotside. That's only one blind mans observation tho

 

Once again, your comparing our poor flowing engine to a well designed DOHC head. That 100hp came from a cam yes, and a much larger turbo and tubular header. Besides, who ever said anything about DOHC?? Your draggin a fish across a hunting trail. This is about G54's only.

 

If you choke up the hotside with a stock Td05 turbine, it doesnt matter what cam you throw at it. It will choke.

[BOHO]

g54b isn't the only thing choking around here.....

[demonquest22]

303hp sounds about right have a friend that made 301hp on tbi with a 18g at 22 psi with 274 cam and external waste gate

[Chad]

You contradict your self right here. You say a stock cam is no good than point out that eip made 430 on the stock cam. After they tried every hing else Your dreaming if you think there is a magic cam out there. There is no way blue cooks car would lose a 100hp by going back to a stock cam.

 

 

He also contradicted himself on the hotside arguements, cause Blue cook also as extensive exhaust mods, including an equal length headder. Pinkos point is correct, exhaust is a very important factor, and no cam will be able to push any real power through a bottlenecked exhaust.

 

Yet a stock cam can perform on a well breathing g54b.

[Funky Phil]

WHATS THIS PINKO CRAP????

[Chad]

Moorrrre effectively ? hmmmm.... eip ran pump gas, stock cam in a forklift motor. Think!

 

Sooooo many have ET'd their car and went back to stock cam..... even eipquest.

 

 

Now it's:

 

 

u can 'flow' the nile..... but without cam timing to ingest the air...??? bluecook gained almost 100hp from extensive cam r&d alone. Same turbo with its 'big' hotside.

 

 

You are either the biggest idiot here for not recognising your contradictions, or a major troll that is blinded by ones need to contradict others that you don't realize you contradictions. I'm not really interested in which it is, but wholy crap dude, seriosuly ? I'm inclined to think it's the latter.

[Funky Phil]

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Ummmmm woah!

[ucw458]

Woah, reply fail

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/public/style_images/master/snapback.pngjinx, on 24 February 2011 - 06:31 AM, said:

 

 

 

Moorrrre effectively ? hmmmm.... eip ran pump gas, stock cam in a forklift motor. Think!

 

 

Sooooo many have ET'd their car and went back to stock cam..... even eipquest.

 

 

 

 

Now it's:

 

http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/public/style_images/master/snapback.pngjinx, on 09 October 2011 - 07:07 AM, said:

 

just for comparison; remember coltbostin 4g64 ? junkyard hyundai head/oe cams. 28psi = 564hp. Same mods on a 54 won't see within 100hp u can 'flow' the nile..... but without cam timing to ingest the air...??? bluecook gained almost 100hp from extensive cam r&d alone. Same turbo with its 'big' hotside. Same hp range stock cam 54s just don't put up dohc numbers via a big hotside. That's only one blind mans observation tho

You are either the biggest idiot here for not recognising your contradictions, or a major troll that is blinded by ones need to contradict others that you don't realize you contradictions. I'm not really interested in which it is, but whole crap dude, seriosuly ? :wacko:" class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/wacko.png" title=" :wacko:" />

[BOHO]

craziest chad post ever..

[Funky Phil]

 

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http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/public/style_images/master/snapback.pngjinx, on 24 February 2011 - 08:31 AM, said:

 

Moorrrre effectively ? hmmmm.... eip ran pump gas, stock cam in a forklift motor. Think!

 

<p>Sooooo many have ET'd their car and went back to stock cam..... even eipquest.

 

 

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http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/public/style_images/master/snapback.pngjinx, on 09 October 2011 - 09:07 AM, said:

 

just for comparison; remember coltbostin 4g64 ? junkyard hyundai head/oe cams. 28psi = 564hp. Same mods on a 54 won't see within 100hp u can 'flow' the nile..... but without cam timing to ingest the air...??? bluecook gained almost 100hp from extensive cam r&d alone. Same turbo with its 'big' hotside. Same hp range stock cam 54s just don't put up dohc numbers via a big hotside. That's only one blind mans observation tho

 

 

You are either the biggest idiot here for not recognising your contradictions, or a major troll that is blinded by ones need to contradict others that you don't realize you contradictions. I'm not really interested in which it is, but whole crap dude, seriosuly ? :wacko:

 

 

 

Ummm Woah!???

[Chad]

fixed it, had to change browser types.

[StarquestRescue]

Wow you guys were fast with the quotes. Maybe that was the code to reprogram the stock ecu to make the majic cam work.

[Chad]

For the record, I think cams are a worthwhile addition to a build, I just think the hot side of the motor has to be done right first. What constitutes "done right" depends on the other modifications planned but it still has to be first, or atleast well before a cam is chosen.

[Chad]

My rpm guage must be off because in the car i only turned 6300 both times... Dynocom dyno O and 16psi first run 18psi second

 

Mod List: Exhaust side: Garrett GT3071R .63ar exhaust Chad's Equal length tubular exhaust manifold full 3 inch exhaust Tial Wastegate dumped Head: Custom Snyder cam oversized valves port matching to exhaust and intake(no head porting) ARP head studs Block: .30 over Wesco Pistons "Dad" Race prepped rods Completely Balanced rotating assembly Blueprinted by myself and my dad Completely stock intake manifold and throttle body 850 and 1050 injectors Aeromotive FPR walbro fuel pump 255 MAFT with Gm mass(custom run piping down into the bottom corner of the radiator support) *DM full 2 1/4 hardpipes stock intercooler HKS BOV I think thats it... chime in dad!

[jinx]

You contradict your self right here. You say a stock cam is no good than point out that eip made 430 on the stock

cam

NEVER once on this forum said a stock cam is no good. What r u guys on ? Lemme slow it down for u once again....

Said a stock cam 54 won't put up dohc "hp" numbers, mod for mod. Is that sooooo hard to understand ?

yup a cam is only part of the engine, by its self it won't make a car faster unless everything else works with it.

Just like you can't bolt a huge turbo to a stock car and expect it to run well with out other mods, it just doesn't

work

exactly..... but it seems like a problem, only if "jinx" points that out

Once again, your comparing our poor flowing engine to a well designed DOHC head. That 100hp came from a cam yes,

and a much larger turbo and tubular header. Besides, who ever said anything about DOHC?? Your draggin a fish across a

hunting trail. This is about G54's only.

precisely.... and that was the basis of my comment - equaling dohc peak hp numbers = efficiency

18g at 18psi see 300hp on a 4g63 or sr20 or ca18 or a ka24 or...... but a stock cam 54 with a td06 ??

[jinx]

He also contradicted himself on the hotside arguements, cause Blue cook also as extensive exhaust mods, including

an equal length headder. Pinkos point is correct, exhaust is a very important factor, and no cam will be able to push any

real power through a bottlenecked exhaust.

never contradicted myself. You're too busy witch hunting. Try engaging brain before putting mouth in motion

You are either the biggest idiot here for not recognising your contradictions, or a major troll that is blinded by

ones need to contradict others that you don't realize you contradictions. I'm not really interested in which it is, but

wholy crap dude, seriosuly ? I'm inclined to think it's the latter.

...or maybe YOU are an even bigger fool for not recognising the difference between an et conversation and a peak hp dyno discussion. Oh (snap), that's right, I forgot.... in your world there is no difference.

[jinx]

Your dreaming if you think there is a magic cam out there

maybe I am. Seen too many extrordinary performance from other 2 valve motors, to think otherwise. Why should I ?

for example;

posted a link to a show quality, near full weight izusu; moded factory sohc 1.8 and 3spd auto. Et 9.1sec no spray

4g64b dyno'd 350hp gt30 @14psi, sohc 2.4 truck motor, on a conservative dyno

stock cam performance was no comparison whatsoever, Did they believe in magic ? .....them and too many more to list

also posted a link to Ivan of 240sx.com tribulations with the nissan 2.4L(ka24)

Summoned crower when he reached what he thought to be the limits of the stock cams. Crower sent him 3 sets. Two "turbo

grinds" actually lost power vs stock (just like how eip et worsen with "performance" cams). Happens alot.

Although disappointed a bit, silly Ivan stuck with it - chasing "magic"

Eventually drove that glass/steel '96 240sx thousands of street miles to go head up against wheelstanding, nitros

inhaling punched out LS monsters - with that puny truck 2.4 & moded 300zx auto, no spray. Et 9.1 sec.

How else do u survive a gunfight, armed with a knife ? magic

How many cams do we get to try in the box ?

You really think average effort yields extraordinary results ? Reading your detailed tuning posts, tells me u know better

oh well....Keep believing all cams r equal then..... while I continue to beleive in 'magic'

[StarquestRescue]

DOHC Dsm make 400 on 18g's, some do it on 16's. What ever a dsm make on a turbo, fuel pump, injectors ect i subtract about 20-25% for its sq potential.

 

The 18g is a proven low 300 performer on an sq, provided it has the fuel to feed it. It is rare to see an 06 turbo smaller than a 20g on these car, but when we do they out proform the 05h turbine. I made 297/400 on an 18g last year and expect to be close to 320 next week when i dyno again.

[Chad]

NEVER once on this forum said a stock cam is no good. What r u guys on ? Lemme slow it down for u once again.... Said a stock cam 54 won't put up dohc "hp" numbers, mod for mod. Is that sooooo hard to understand ? exactly..... but it seems like a problem, only if "jinx" points that out precisely.... and that was the basis of my comment - equaling dohc peak hp numbers = efficiency 18g at 18psi see 300hp on a 4g63 or sr20 or ca18 or a ka24 or...... but a stock cam 54 with a td06 ??

 

in one topic [in the past] you point to the fact that stock cams are as good or even better than any aftermarket cam, and the proof is in the fact that all these high HP and quick ET cars use them. Now you are pointing to how awesome an aftermarket cam is compared to stock. that is a contradiction.

[Funky Phil]

When you compare a poorly designed SOHC 2v head to any DOHC 4v head, you will leave disappointed.

 

Franco had full Control of engine operation. You have NO idea what timing or AFR's his tuner threw at it to make those numbers. And if John is right, that motor died shortly afterwards.

 

A man with bad constipation will live a short/poorly performing life no matter how much nutrition he eats.

Edited October 14, 2011 by phinko

[Elkidmino]

Franco, I'm going to hit the dyno Saturday with your timing (the 1 degree more from my base) and my fuel numbers, closer to 12.5, so we'll see what I net. I'll be on a Mustang dyno and I don't have as nearly a nice setup, basically stock really. I'm hoping above 240/280 at 16psi on an S16G. If I get froggy I'll got for 18psi and see what happens. Will keep you informed.

 

Details on my setup:

-Stock internals 160k

-Stock exh manifold

-Stock intercooler

-Hard pipes

-India head, HD Valve Springs, light massage

-S16G

-2.5" DP to stock pipe, gutted cat, dump at rear axle

-Magna Intake w/ stock Magna FPR

-65lb injectors

-MSD 6AL w/ 6K chip

-SDS-3E (spark and fuel)

-Walbro pump

Edited November 3, 2011 by Elkidmino

[Elkidmino]

Results:

201hp/311tq @ 15.5psi - Peak tq at 2900 RPM, peak hp at 4100 RPM, crossed at ~3400 RPM.

 

216hp/320tq @ ~17.5-18?psi - Peak tq at 3000 RPM, peak hp at 3800 RPM, crossed at ~3500 RPM

 

I'm unsure what pressure I was running on the second run being that I cranked the ProfecB-Spec 2 up blind (why the hell not?) and it hit the boost limit of 20psi that I set. From there it's supposed to reduce it by 30% (14psi) but it was blinking 17.1, 18.3, 20.0, 15.8 in both blue and red. I felt like I was in a real life FNF movie lol.

 

Overall, I pleased with the numbers for a stock motor with 167k and crankwalk. Best part was, it didn't blow up. It sounded smooth all the way through the powerband and the turbo was like a jet engine under the hood haha. The neatest thing about the day was comparing the tq curve to my ignition curve I had plotted in Excel, they are literally line for line. I don't have a scanner at home so I'll post the graphs on Monday when I get back to work.