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#1 StarquestRescue

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 10:11 PM

See post 54 for 10-23-11 update.

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2010  http://www.starquest...0

TBI 18g tdo5h, 3" exhausts, cat and quite muffler. Intercooler upgrade, ported head, stock size ss valves, degreed hr70 cam. 7-1 pistons. 2g mas, 850 / 1400 injectors. Race gas blend. Tuned with Neo afc and Innovate logworks data logging.

First run about 21 psi average. Boost was choppy. This is a spikey turbo. We leaned out the turbo spool up and tweaked the fuel a little up top. Last run 25 psi average. The boost trace smoothed out some as we raised the boost. We let it cool for the last pull and made sure the intercooler was fully cooled. But could not get 300. Made 300 uncorrected, does that count?

The extra boost and tuning mostly helped the torque. I am really pleased with the torque.
Edit, I also gained hp in the 3500-4800 rpm range. It was just the peak hp that stayed about the same.

Shop wide band was reading .6-.7 leaner. I need to do a recalibration. I meant to do it beforehand.

My car still has some of the 1.75 intercooler piping on it, that will be the next upgrade.
Edit, this turbo really should have an external waste gate. That would probably add a little power as well as better boost control.

My short block was pulled from a parts car with a sized motor. It turned out to be a fresh stock rebuild that spun a bearing and locked up when an oil line failed. I replaced the crank, bearings and head. The head was replaced again last year. I have been flogging it for 4 years. I do not understand why people do full rebuilds on motors with fixable problems and spend tons of money on everything but what actually makes the power.

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Edited by StarquestRescue, 28 April 2013 - 06:55 PM.

2012 fall set up 20g 06  in the stock turbine houseing. 2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  379hp 395 tq TBI Power

2012 spring set up. 18g06 in the stock turbine houseing.  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 358 hp 393 tq. 12.71 @ 112
2011 set up. 18g05h,  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 307 hp 360 tq  12.78 @ 112
2010 set up. 18g05h,  2G mas, Lsp 850 / 1400 injectors. Tuned with re flashed afc Neo version 1.104 and Innovated data logging.  297 hp 403 tq.


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Posted 01 October 2010 - 10:19 PM

Thats tight! I agree with the crazy rebuild comment, ran my truck at 28 psi multiple times on a hx35 with stock rebuilt bottom end!
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Posted 01 October 2010 - 11:15 PM

congrats on the power

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I do not understand why people do full rebuilds on motors with fixable problems and spend tons of money on everything but what actually makes the power.
reliability and longevity?

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Posted 02 October 2010 - 06:27 AM

way to go john!! and yes there is something to be said about teaching new dogs old tricks!!
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Posted 02 October 2010 - 06:48 AM

100+ more torque than horsepower, those are V8 numbers.

Excellent job John, those are fantastic numbers.

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Posted 02 October 2010 - 07:23 AM

View Postdmyers151, on 02 October 2010 - 06:48 AM, said:

100+ more torque than horsepower, those are V8 numbers.

Excellent job John, those are fantastic numbers.

I second that exact comment.

Thats BA...lol

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Posted 02 October 2010 - 09:25 AM

amazing numbers, especially for TBI
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Posted 02 October 2010 - 01:04 PM

View Postjahjah, on 01 October 2010 - 11:15 PM, said:

congrats on the power


reliability and longevity?
10k plus miles , still held 150 psi across the board when sold and is still running today.
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Posted 02 October 2010 - 02:58 PM

400tq!!!.......good stuff.........
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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:06 AM

Awesome, bringing to the track anytime soon?

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 07:57 PM

View Postcharles gardner, on 02 October 2010 - 06:27 AM, said:

way to go john!! and yes there is something to be said about teaching new dogs old tricks!!
The tricks are not new. Just proven tuning concepts from the dsm world, that are seldom explied to tbi cars. The 18g is proven low 300 hp capable on the starquest. It is kinda a wild animal as far as boost spikes and tuning. I need to look into an external wastegate.


View Postdmyers151, on 02 October 2010 - 06:48 AM, said:

100+ more torque than horsepower, those are V8 numbers.Excellent job John, those are fantastic numbers.
Thanks everyone


View Postmovin on, on 03 October 2010 - 01:06 AM, said:

Awesome, bringing to the track anytime soon?
Yes, i have already run a 13.1 @ 105. I think i can squeeze a high 12 out of it. I want to work on the street tune and boost control more.
2012 fall set up 20g 06  in the stock turbine houseing. 2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  379hp 395 tq TBI Power

2012 spring set up. 18g06 in the stock turbine houseing.  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 358 hp 393 tq. 12.71 @ 112
2011 set up. 18g05h,  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 307 hp 360 tq  12.78 @ 112
2010 set up. 18g05h,  2G mas, Lsp 850 / 1400 injectors. Tuned with re flashed afc Neo version 1.104 and Innovated data logging.  297 hp 403 tq.


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Posted 05 October 2010 - 04:32 PM

WoW! thats some serious torque numbers
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 12:00 AM

Very Impressive!!  Probably more torque than my "m pee why" Holset monster puts down!  :mad:
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 10:23 AM

Congrats on the numbersPosted Image  Where did you get it tuned? I am kind of skeptical on tuners but i would drive a distance for a reliable one. Oh, and I could pick up that Conquest stuff!

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 10:29 AM

I'm pretty sure he does a majority of the tuning himself on the street and at the track. Then uses the dyno for feedback to do the finer tuning.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 04:59 PM

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Congrats on the numbersPosted Image  Where did you get it tuned? I am kind of skeptical on tuners but i would drive a distance for a reliable one. Oh, and I could pick up that Conquest stuff!
I tune it my self. I have two Innovate ssi-4 data logger boxes on the car. Tuning is done with a neo afc. The 2g mas makes the car run 20-20% leaner, this is a help as my injectors are 43% bigger than stock. I am adding up to about 20% fuel at low load and subtracting about -10 at high load.

Bod Brady, the dyno guy was coaching me based on what the dyno graft was showing. I only paid for a hour. The 3" exhaust install was finished that morning and the ebc was hooked up a couple of days before.

http://www.bradyshighperformance.com/
Mostly a v8 guy, but i know some of the front wheel drive guys get tuned there. 2wd dyno. He keeps asking what kind of car it is.  :lol:
2012 fall set up 20g 06  in the stock turbine houseing. 2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  379hp 395 tq TBI Power

2012 spring set up. 18g06 in the stock turbine houseing.  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 358 hp 393 tq. 12.71 @ 112
2011 set up. 18g05h,  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 307 hp 360 tq  12.78 @ 112
2010 set up. 18g05h,  2G mas, Lsp 850 / 1400 injectors. Tuned with re flashed afc Neo version 1.104 and Innovated data logging.  297 hp 403 tq.


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Posted 07 October 2010 - 02:54 PM

damn...thats what I am talking about!

Is your Throttle body ported?

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 04:26 PM

awesome numbers john

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 05:54 PM

View PostStarquestRescue, on 06 October 2010 - 04:59 PM, said:

dyno graft

Is that like a skin graft?

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 08:19 PM

Current picture. I ran a different bov on the dyno. The one in the picture leaks 1 to 1.5 psi at high boost.
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View PostOPTIMUSPRIME, on 07 October 2010 - 02:54 PM, said:

Is your Throttle body ported?
Yes, but i consider that mod a small potato.


View PoststarquestJOE, on 07 October 2010 - 04:26 PM, said:

awesome numbers john
Thanks


View PostTechnology, on 07 October 2010 - 05:54 PM, said:

Is that like a skin graft?
Spell check fail.

Well i put 5 gallons of e85 in it today. Gas gauge was a little over E. I added 20-25% fuel to get home. I will probably need to add more after the last of the gas is run out. I am going to run out of injector flow real quick. :( Hopefully i can run 20 psi. I did not do a tuning pull yet. I really need bigger injectors for that. I was at 92% duty cycle on the dyno with the 850/1400 injectors.

Edited by StarquestRescue, 09 October 2010 - 08:23 PM.

2012 fall set up 20g 06  in the stock turbine houseing. 2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  379hp 395 tq TBI Power

2012 spring set up. 18g06 in the stock turbine houseing.  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 358 hp 393 tq. 12.71 @ 112
2011 set up. 18g05h,  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 307 hp 360 tq  12.78 @ 112
2010 set up. 18g05h,  2G mas, Lsp 850 / 1400 injectors. Tuned with re flashed afc Neo version 1.104 and Innovated data logging.  297 hp 403 tq.


401 / 427 TBI   Dyno link-----------TBI Power http://www.sqperform....php?topic=33.0-----------Rear Gear link----------2010 Dyno link-------Feedback link





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