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#21 importwarrior

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 07:43 PM

What flywheel and clutch? throwout bearing?

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 08:04 PM

I haven't looked at the clearances all around but the front of the oil pan cleared the sway bar or whatever bar that is by plenty of space. If your asking about how it is turning the steering side to side, I haven't done that. But the stock 1g intake manifold was dam near touching the stock starion steering device that the power steering lines hook into. Sorry I don't know what that thing is called, hopefully you know what I'm talking about. The 1g manifold was also dam near touching the brake booster. I think it's workable though.

I'm looking into intake manifold options, I'm hoping to use an evo manifold since its already facing the correct direction. The flange looks similar to a 2g head, so I ordered gaskets for a 2g and an evo manifold to see how they line up.

I'm planning to use the stock starion flywheel, clutch, and TOB for now. Eventually I'll upgrade things but right now I don't have the money to buy the bare minimums to get this running, so I must spend wisely. I do have an RX-7 trans, the b2600 bell housing, and a b2600 tailshaft housing, but apparently I found a unique RX-7 trans because it has a big dampener on the tail shaft and the b2600 housing won't fit on it.
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Posted 06 October 2015 - 05:18 AM

great info thanks!
i bet the EGR stuff will be on the wrong side when comparing the EVO to 2nd GEN gaskets - intakes.
that is the only difference i believe. weld it shut.

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Posted 07 October 2015 - 08:52 PM

The flange is wrong for the Evo intake. On evo's the injectors mount in the intake runners right by the flange. Dsm's the injectors mount in the head. The port sizing is very similar. You could cut the flange off the Evo and weld on a 2g flange or just mod a 2g intake
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Posted 07 October 2015 - 10:42 PM

Intake manifolds

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 12:17 AM

Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that thread. Yes Im aware of the injector issue on the evo manifold, but it's nothing some welding and grinding can't fix. I have a mig welder with a spool gun I've been itching to use. If I were to cut the flange off for a 2g flange I'd take it to a buddy to be welded.
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Posted 08 October 2015 - 12:17 AM

And the egr can be welded closed as well.
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Posted 19 October 2015 - 09:49 PM

I haven't made too much progress lately, but I did get some parts.

-2ga head so I can use the 2ga CAS
-Expo power steering pump. I think its the same as a 2g pump, but it will allow me to run the power steering pump off the harmonic balancer.
-Jay Racing thermostat relocation tube thing
-JDM Evo intake manifold

I should have so more pictures later this week because some stuff is still in the mail. Also, I'm not going to rush things like I originally planned so I'll buy new pistons when the time comes.

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 04:49 AM

i was waiting for an update.
keep at it giving me some ideas.

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 06:16 PM

I read a post on Austarion about the differences in heads. Did you have to do anything to make a 2g head work? Is it the same port sizes such as the Evo's have?

What kind of clearance do you have running the Evo intake manifold?

Like import said this is also giving me ideas. It is awesome you are doing that swap.

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 06:44 PM

I can answer these questions.

A 2g head on a 1g block requires the head bolt holes to be enlarged by 1mm on the 2g head.
The ports are the same between evo and 2g DSM, at least the evo intake that is being used.  However the egr port is on the opposite side.

As far as clearance, check the link in my last post.

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 09:10 PM

Awesome work! What timing belt are you gonna use?
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my shaft was big i dont know what your talking about.

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Posted 20 October 2015 - 09:59 PM

I am using the 4g64 timing belt, the 4g63 one won't fit.

Once I get a few more parts I'm going to put the motor back in and check clearances of everything and figure out what to do next. The manifold I bought is different than the evo 8 manifold,while both will work I think this one is more ideal.

I started building my shopping cart at extremepsi, and dam this is gonna be expensive lol. I'm going to buy parts as I'm ready for them. Pistons, bearings, front case, and several other expensive parts won't be needed until I've basically bolted everything to the engine, plumbed everything, and got all of the wiring completed. Saving all my stock dsm parts is coming in handy. Hopefully I'll have everything assembled and together, then pull the engine and have the machine work done, then be ready to rock and roll.
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Posted 21 October 2015 - 05:05 AM

is the front water tstat assembly off of the 4G64?
about the Jay racing part how does that mount in the block?.

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Posted 21 October 2015 - 07:09 PM

The thermostat housing is a spare 1g unit I had. I don't like the top half of it because it doesn't point the direction I want it to, so I may be looking into other options for that.

I'll try to take some pictures of the jay racing piece. It basically presses in snug and has an o-ring to help seal it. Then you use a washer that bolts to the side of the head and the washer covers part of the flange holding it against the head so it doesn't come out. It actually doesn't line up correctly but it will work, I'll show what I'm talking about with some pictures.
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Posted 22 October 2015 - 05:22 AM

thanks for the explanation.

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Posted 26 October 2015 - 05:15 AM

Good forum with build threads of swapped 63 cars of all makes and models.
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Posted 11 November 2015 - 09:58 PM

thanks for all the detail so far...great supplement to projectzerog!

I'll be starting on a 4g64/3 swap come spring so I'll be checking in frequently on this thread.  Great start and good luck!

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 11:29 PM

Thanks. I haven't done much lately, but I plan to post a few more details on some things this weekend.
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Posted 12 November 2015 - 06:03 AM

dont give up !!!! Keep the momentum going! so close.

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