Bill Hincher Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 I bought a d 50 trans from a starion and chopped off the front end of it, then i sloted the sideshttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock3.jpghttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock5.jpg I had a spacer casted for the r 154 trans and I milled it flat to size and entered it in the Starion transhttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock8.jpg then I re sized all the engine mounting bolts out by 2%http://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock9.jpg then I resized the flywheel opening by 2%http://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock10.jpg i bored out the R 154 spacer out to size and finished the facing square to the bellhousing on the bridgeporthttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock12.jpg I made sure to use all the mounts and openings to re use the exact same clutch controls that come with the Starion, so there is no need to change anything but the bellhousing a direct fit then I filled all the panels in, one at a time with 1/8 aluminum material http://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock14.jpghttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock15.jpghttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock16.jpg then next I will mold it all in , smooth it all out and make sure the wall sides are the thickness I want before castinghttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock18.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technology Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Awesome! I will try to make as much power as possible on the stocker, and when it breaks, you should have these ready for sale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Is that a Honda CRX? I had that Tranny on my SQ for a while, different set up it wasn't machined or spaced like that it was the bellhousing from the SQ welded on the Supra tranny, it felt awesome it's got great gear ratios but it kept breaking Friction discs.. You should DEFINITELY have a few of these up for sale in a GP or singles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted September 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Is that a Honda CRX? I had that Tranny on my SQ for a while, different set up it wasn't machined or spaced like that it was the bellhousing from the SQ welded on the Supra tranny, it felt awesome it's got great gear ratios but it kept breaking Friction discs.. You should DEFINITELY have a few of these up for sale in a GP or singles! yes, thats aCRX I dont understand ? GP or singles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 yes, thats aCRX I dont understand ? GP or singles? Group Purchases or just Single person purchases as in having one available for people to buy at a time.. That will fit a SQ engine right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Bill, You sure do nice work...What is your plan with these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazilBoy Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Nice work Bill....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted September 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Bill, You sure do nice work...What is your plan with these? I promised to build couple for Turbo Addict and Pinko, so I will run about 10 of them off with hand lay up techniques and if they prove out, I will build an investment casting and run off a few each month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo_Addict Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 I promised to build couple for Turbo Addict and Pinko, so I will run about 10 of them off with hand lay up techniques and if they prove out, I will build an investment casting and run off a few each month You've got me all kinds of excited about this Bill - can't wait!! My bell-housingless r-154 is sitting on the bench just waiting for a new home. I was wondering about a couple small details, which I am sure you will cover but wanted to throw them out there. First of course is that shifter housing extension you were working on and if that is still in process, and the other is how the pilot bearing will sit in the crankshaft instead of in the flywheel. Is there a larger pilot bearing that will fit in the crankshaft or do we need to come up with some way of making a 'housing' for a pilot bearing that will seat there? Thanks again for doing this, I can't wait to actually be able to 'use' the power on the track. hehe Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 I include an aluminum spacer for the crankshaft hole to fit the pilot bearing in ,I do that with all my set ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo_Addict Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 I include an aluminum spacer for the crankshaft hole to fit the pilot bearing in ,I do that with all my set ups Outstanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TainterRacing Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 How much for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technology Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 If you have to ask, you can't afford it. haha. j/k. How much Bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 I keep all my stuff in the $400.00 dollar range,the only one that went over that was the T 56 short shaft, the d*mn thing took so much effort to do. the nice thing about this bellhousing is that it is plug and play, same flywheel, same pressure plate, same cluch fork and pivot ball, everything from the Starion was reused, just a Toyota disc and then I gaot to work out the throw out bearing the work never ends, when I finish one bellhousing, I go back and try to improve it, and then when I can I start something new, this wide block should be easy enough because I have already done the R 154 in the narrow block, so it should come along much faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-O Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) Beautiful. I've got an R154 just sitting [bought it for dirt cheap as a spare for the shop's 7MGTE-swapped drift Cressida] that needs to go into my car. It's just a 9" Toyota clutch disc, correct? Is it sourced from the trucks or is it a Supra piece? Edited September 25, 2009 by Dave-O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted September 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Beautiful. I've got an R154 just sitting [bought it for dirt cheap as a spare for the shop's 7MGTE-swapped drift Cressida] that needs to go into my car. It's just a 9" Toyota clutch disc, correct? Is it sourced from the trucks or is it a Supra piece? up until now I have used the truck 9in disc on my narrow block stuff, I have to measure out the disc to the right flywheel diameter for the wide block, the Supra disc is rated for 320 hp in original form,I think the Supra is a larger disc, the stage 4 stuff from comp clutch claims to be 400 hp I try to keep all my parts 'over the counter' in keeping with your 'dirt cheap' policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-O Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 That's what I love about your stuff Bill. I've got to start saving up for one of your Billhousing kits, I really want to swap to the R154 before I break anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) That R-154 Supra tranny is AWESOME let me tell ya for what I experienced from it.. And I would LOVE to put another one back in the SQ one day so I am a future buyer herre.. Edited November 2, 2009 by VICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I am working out the R 154 options,the problem with the R 154, its geared too high, here is the comparisions 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th R150 - 3.83 2.062 1.436 1.00 0.838 R151 - 4.31 3.32 1.52 1.00 0.83 R154 - 3.25 1.95 1.30 1.00 0.75 Starion (KM132-M-CNL) 3.369:1 2.035:1 1.360:1 1:1 .856:1 The R 150's 2wd are found on all the toyota V 6 trucks pre 86 The R 151 was used on the turbo 4 cyl Toyota truck and 86-87 and v-6 toyota trucks after 87 they sell for about 3-500 bucks on car-part.com and there are plenty of them The input shafts are shorter then the R 154, and they are different before and after 86, but all I have to do is change how the bellhousing is built and then cut the back plate for wwhich ever trans is ordered the problem is in the Starions, they have the torque tube set up in the rear end with limited selection of axle ratio's available the other problem is cost and availablity of the R 154 This all came about because I am building the wide block R 154, option and I been watching the cost of the transmissions . Once you pay $800.00 for a trans and $425.00 for a clutch, its hard to justify the adaptor The 96 and up input shaft for the R 150 and R 151 should be the same as the R 154 ( 7.5 I have to make sure of that) and the input shaft of pre 96 should be the same as the W 55's ( 6.5) the R 151 & 150 should be good up to 450 hp ( from what I can read) the pre 96 trans sells for $300.00 bucks all day long on car-part.com and all you need is a Toyota disc with the OEM Mits pressure plate and I think it would use the W 55 throw out bearing collar what I am saying is , I can either shorten or lengthen the bellhousing within a 1 inch range and drop the cost of the swap while increasing the gear ratio selection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthconquest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I am working out the R 154 options,the problem with the R 154, its geared too high, here is the comparisions 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th R150 - 3.83 2.062 1.436 1.00 0.838 R151 - 4.31 3.32 1.52 1.00 0.83 R154 - 3.25 1.95 1.30 1.00 0.75 Starion (KM132-M-CNL) 3.369:1 2.035:1 1.360:1 1:1 .856:1 The R 150's 2wd are found on all the toyota V 6 trucks pre 86 The R 151 was used on the turbo 4 cyl Toyota truck and 86-87 and v-6 toyota trucks after 87 they sell for about 3-500 bucks on car-part.com and there are plenty of them The input shafts are shorter then the R 154, and they are different before and after 86, but all I have to do is change how the bellhousing is built and then cut the back plate for wwhich ever trans is ordered the problem is in the Starions, they have the torque tube set up in the rear end with limited selection of axle ratio's available the other problem is cost and availablity of the R 154 This all came about because I am building the wide block R 154, option and I been watching the cost of the transmissions . Once you pay $800.00 for a trans and $425.00 for a clutch, its hard to justify the adaptor The 96 and up input shaft for the R 150 and R 151 should be the same as the R 154 ( 7.5 I have to make sure of that) and the input shaft of pre 96 should be the same as the W 55's ( 6.5) the R 151 & 150 should be good up to 450 hp ( from what I can read) the pre 96 trans sells for $300.00 bucks all day long on car-part.com and all you need is a Toyota disc with the OEM Mits pressure plate and I think it would use the W 55 throw out bearing collar what I am saying is , I can either shorten or lengthen the bellhousing within a 1 inch range and drop the cost of the swap while increasing the gear ratio selection couldnt you also use a w58 trans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 couldnt you also use a w58 trans yeah I could but I want explore all the options, I would preffer to build the prototype pattern in a fashion that it could accept a variety of transmission options so the buyer had a better selection the bolt pattern is the same between the R 150,151 and 154 , its just a matter of input shaft length, so the back of the casting has to be built to accept any input length by just cutting the rear facing to size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICE Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 On that note my input shaft was a long one on the R-154, I had to grind off a good quarter inch maybe more because when bolted in, the shaft would hit the engine (or press in with the pilot bearing) and not allow it to move. Then again this set up had a permanent bellhousing on the tranny it was not a plate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 On that note my input shaft was a long one on the R-154, I had to grind off a good quarter inch maybe more because when bolted in, the shaft would hit the engine (or press in with the pilot bearing) and not allow it to move. Then again this set up had a permanent bellhousing on the tranny it was not a plate.. according to what I understand, the 96 and above r 150 and r 151 uses a 7.5 inch input shaft, the R 154 uses a 7.25 inch input shaft, but on the narrow block 4G63 set ups, the R 154 ( 7.25in input shaft) had to have the pilot bearing shaft shortened by .25 to allow the spline to the clutch disc to get a full engagement with the input shaft spline ( it moved the transmission forward by .25inch) the pre '96 R 150 and 151 should not require that with the 6.5inch input shaft and there is one more advantage, there was a 22Re Toyota turbo engine built for 2 years that used a 2 wd R 151 with a very low first gear ratio, I have checked and they seem to be readily available I should have some pic's this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 This is the continued work on the R 154 for the g54b wide block option, I am furthur along then this but I been too busy to write it up http://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock19.jpg the only clutch part needed is the Toyota Supra turbo disc for about $45.00 bucks and a pilot bearing http://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock20.jpg the Toyota disc is exactly the same as the mits dischttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock21.jpg with this system iwill be using the mits starter/flywheel/ and pressure plate so there is no need for custom partshttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock24.jpghttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock25.jpg the R 154 centered up nicly on the bellhousing, I am working with the depth here, the bellhousing has to be built with a 1% shrinkage factored in after casting so it has to be built abut 1/4 inch longer in this patternhttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock26.jpg i built my own throw out bearing holder to fit the r 154 collar but I re used all the Satrion clutch control parts as in the clutch fork, pivot ball and slave cylinderhttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock29.jpghttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock30.jpg you can just make out the 1/8 in plate that was added in between the engine and bellhousing , thats for shrinkage in the castinghttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock35.jpg I always place a heat vent at the top of the bellhousing,the wall thickness has been added but not shown here and the pattern is being molded to final shape, i wanted to be in casting this week but I need 2 or 3 more dayshttp://www.billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock36.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hincher Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 this takes hours to fine tune and adjust, sanding and adding material in a way the will draft in the casting proscess while allowing for the 1% shrink and keeping the wall thickness thick where I want it and thin where its not neededhttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock37.jpghttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock38.jpghttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock39.jpghttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock40.jpghttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock41.jpg I test for accuracy in where everything locates every time I get to a stopping pointhttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock42.jpghttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock43.jpghttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock44.jpghttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock45.jpghttp://billsautofab.com/images/R154wideblock46.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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