Shelby Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 ok i have try'd to get some intrest rolling for yr's but it never has much sucess , the last such post >http://www.starquestclub.com/index.pl?board=bullcrap;action=display;num=1099943539 > seem'd to start off ok but soon lost ground to all sorts of real important stuff if we all get togather and pool our info maybe we can come up with a useable way for all to get this done and join the rest of the world by actualy tuneing an engine rather then throwing parts togather many guys get intimindate'd by the numbers and figures,, don't worry your not grinding a cam, only installing it to where the cam grinder intend'd it to be time'd you don't have to know every thing there is about cams , only how to read and have the patiance to learn some thing new and diff ,that is also very important with the new found use of these roller rocker arms this is gona become more important then ever that the cam is properly time'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boosted_One Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Shelby... I bumped 2 topics on cam degreeing in addition to this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted November 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 man you had to do some diging , those are over 18 months old and nothing on them new sept you but maybe we can shake up some thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie_Rich Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I'm not really sure what you are after. Are you looking for a procedure? How about a list of where everyone's cams are ending up? Maybe a list of stock cam locations? I suppose once a good, workable, easy to follow procedure is written, more people would be willing to try it out. One problem is it requires the purchase of somewhat specialized equipment. How often would the regular guy use a degree wheel? Dial indicators can be used in a few places like checking brake rotor run-out, but agian, it's not used often enough for most to justify the cost. I do think it's important and wished I would have trudged through until I figured out what I was doing wrong. I look back when I was in the street scene and there was only maybe a handful that dialed their cams in. I may end up having my car in the garage sooner than I wanted. If so, I'll do the rings and really work on checking the cam timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boosted_One Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 This procedure used follows almost step for step for me when I dialed my cam in on the Starion. http://www.well.com/~mosk/degreecam.htm If you ask me the reason a lot do not degree is because a lot of enthusiasts do not understand it. They can bolt turbos on and what not but the degreeing part is intimidating to a lot of people. If you talk to a guy who degree'd his cam you can tell he's on another level than some other enthusiasts. I know I can notice it. If you get the dial indicator and base from Harbor Freight you will find they are very, very reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted November 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 yea i'd hate to throw away $6 on a decent dial indicator , heck i could have had almost a 12 pac for that , and $12 for a magnetic base mount,, man too much to waste but then why buy a $150 -$200 cam in the first place most expensive thing is the degree wheel, if guys are close to you only one needs to have the stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coop1er Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 I always degree my cams. Trouble is I always end up retarding the camshaft a little over the cam grinders specs as I enjoy the top end acceleration most. Maybe I just havent found the right cam yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted November 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 i'l  agree  some what to that,,but  do we realy know why  he set the specs  where he did , maybe TimC  can clue  us as to why a grinder  says  this  degree or that  degree center line my big block mopars i always ran 4-6 advance'd , cause you need'd the power to launch them big slicks , and stay away from too much rpms , of course all were auto's to ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALANFROMPDX Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I just got my dial caliperItem number 623 from harbor freight and i will be getting the magnetic base soon too. 7 bucks each. check out the base item number 5645 it is on sale for $6.99 instore only. til Dec 6th. go to harbor freight.com and do an item search People should just buy one dial the sucker in and sell the tool. I am into mine for what 14 bucks not counting the wheel. I am not selling mine since i sell cams but most members should just get it check it and move it to someone in their citty. like you are not going to get you14 bucks back HELLO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted November 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 this same dial set up can be use'd to set up diff gears check crank thrust brg run out,, good many things realy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Quest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted January 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 heres another post that goes right alog with this one http://www.starquestclub.com/index.pl?boar...;num=1104983747 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted January 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why does this happen every time we try to get togather a methoid or system for degreeing our cams we get dead silence , Mike and I have try'd over and over to get some thing going so all of us would be on the same level and same floor , this is some thing ALL OF YOU will be doing if you ever hope to get out of your engine what you think you will if i have some thing all wrong , tell me about it, dam i'm just as human as the next guy we all make mistakes the main thing is we need as a group come up with a way we can all agree on to degree and check our cam's timeing , cause you can beleave the guys in the wining lane already have any way whats the deal with this any way , do all of you think it's not nessary to do the dial in of the cam, is it too hard for you to understand,, theres nothing hard about it , But every Time Mike or I try to get some thing going we have the same thing ,nothing post'd , is it no interst if so just say so , we both have other things we could be doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaltTSI Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 I'm sitting here with some time on my hands, so I start reading posts on the ol StarQuest site and run into this one. I think I'm of the same school you come from Shel, I have degreed in a cam before on my 440 Challenger that I had, do you still have your old Mopar degree wheel? I remember it came with a video on how to do it, it wasn't that hard, but I did have the engine out of the car, that would be a big part of it for me, just getting in there...the 2.6 that is, how many parts have to come off? and a lot of guys won't mess with something that they think isn't broke, or isn't causing any bad problems, only the most serious one's who are trying to get the last ounce of HP out of there cars will even think about it. And how did you end up with a car like the Quest coming from old Mopars like me? And one more thing, are you asking to have a procedure because your not sure how to do it, or you do you want to get it all down and have all the experts give there blessing that it's perfect and correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest340 Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Just got done degreeing mine in yesterday as a matter of fact. I am in the middle of a complete rebuild though. Not sure how others are doing it after the fact though. I first dialed in TDC with the head off then assembled timing set and installed the cylinder head. Being carefull not to disturb TDC indicator then dialed in intake lobe centerline. Tough to get an accurate TDC reading down through the spark plug hole. A whole lot more trouble than a V8 engine. My cam was at 111 when spec was 107. Tims big mechanical one. I degreed it in with the cheap kit the guy is selling on the internet. Not as cool as an adjustable gear but got the results I needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 man i hate it when you just type'd 200 words and the entire thing disapears > sort of makes you want to say the hell with it all :-/ any way a short recap,, heres a couple other threads you may find helpfull http://www.starquestclub.com/index.pl?boar...;num=1104983747 http://www.tristarion.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12479 http://www.tristarion.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15584 sence these threads were start'd i have learn'd a good bit ,about the diff in degreeing these engines and the v8's we are use'd to degreeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 lol video with degree wheel, when i bought my first degree wheel there were no video's nor personal computers ,,bought it in 1963 ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaltTSI Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Oh! so you come from that old OLD school! ;D And if you want to get into it, how did you end up liking a little car made in Japan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted February 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 ah well a car is a car anymore, it was by acident i found these Conquest sites, 6 yr's ago i had swap'd in an 83 Starion engine and fuel system in my 86 Mighty max pick up, and for the heck of it thought i'd look to see if any car sites was arround , been arround ever sence , and the old truck is still running, had several major swaps and changes sence the first ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaltTSI Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Thats cool, I was always trying to make my old muscle cars into sports cars and didn't know it, untill it dawned on me one day what I was doing, and I always liked the Quest since I saw one siting at a Chrysler dealership back in 88 or 89, just like the one I have now ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starion0352 Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 i am interested. i just dont know where to start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boosted_One Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Shelby I just realized after how many years now you still don't see many doing this. Where to start?? Get all the things you need...the dial indicator and base, the degree wheel, the other hardware. Harbor Freight is great for the dial indicator and magnetic base. Then read this link over until your blue in the face. It WILL get you to degree your cam if you follow it and really want to do it. http://www.well.com/~mosk/degreecam.htm I think a lot of people are very intimidated by cam timing because anyone saying it is a waste is simply mistaken IMHO. You set ignition timing. Advance and retards make a world of diffference on a timing table. What if you plop you cam in and it's 6* retarded?? Or 6* advanced?? Nothing differs on a cam. Timing is just that...timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starion0352 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 so is this for adjustment or to see where its at right now? nevermind i will go read the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMeyerhoff Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I hate to admint this but I have everything needed but the bolt for the crank. I've never been able to find a metric bolt long enough. Where have you all gotten your bolts? (Long enough to degree while the timing cover is on?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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