NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Official Group Buy Thread located here: http://www.starquest...howtopic=134585 Gentlemen, Now that many of you have gotten to see my work, I'm being asked more often "What's next Nick?!!" I have a couple of projects that I am considering. This is the first of several group buy feeler posts that I will be putting out...Front Air Dams As with the Rear Hatch Spoiler group buy, the viability of a project depends on several things:Interest/Demand - are there enough members interested in a product to warrant research and production? Cost Effectiveness - can an item be produced at a price point that benefits the members, and proves worthwhile for the fabricator? Quality - can a product be fabricated with HIGH QUALITY for the price point desired?Having been active on the boards for a while now, I know that there's a demand for front air dams. Seems members are always looking for them. However, to my knowledge, these are already available in the aftermarket. Problem is I don't see/hear a lot of you purchasing them. My question is...why? Price point? Quality? Material? What is it? The answers to these questions would help me a great deal in researching and developing a quality and cost-effective product for you guys, so please offer up your opinions on this. As I get more feedback, I can evaluate all the criteria for developing one of these, and move forward with posting a true group buy. Of course if you're interested in me pursuing this, please let me know so that I can gauge the "demand" factor. Cheers,Nick Members Interested: please see official group buy thread...link is at top of post. Edited January 25, 2014 by NikoFab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88-cnqst-tsi Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) im interested in buying a new one, the materials are good but the thing that prevents me from buying is the high base price and its something none has control over but the mass price of shipping and border costs for us canadians Edited November 6, 2012 by 88-cnqst-tsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOHO Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 stock front air dam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quikconq Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I have an interest in 1 or 2Reasons someone wouldn't buy one:::To have 350-400,500 dollars laying inches from the ground,just waiting to hit Something. Why not bandaid their old one till the next hit. To have another vendor making these would do great things to the price. Must be quality,,,and of a good urethane,, "no carbon fiber",,they will breakThe instant you hit the first cat,,,and then the 2nd cat and 3rd cat. My opinionBuild a good urethane air dam,and reinforce the bottom of the airdam. In my sig pic that air splitter made that airdam so rigid it was amazing. So in Theory ,, if either a metal/aluminum strip was incorporated/mountedTo the bottom of the air dam,,,it would be some cheap Insurance to the structualStiffness,,so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 im interested in buying a new one, the materials are good but the thing that prevents me from buying is the high base price and its something none has control over but the mass price of shipping and border costs for us canadians Ok good observation regarding the shipping. I've actually started my DBA and set up a Fedex account which helps discount shipping...so that may help. What do you consider high base price? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 stock front air dam? Yes this would be molded off of a stock 1-piece widebody unit. 3-piece would be too expensive. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I have an interest in 1 or 2Reasons someone wouldn't buy one:::To have 350-400,500 dollars laying inches from the ground,just waiting to hitSomething. Why not bandaid their old one till the next hit. To have another vendor making these would do great things to the price.Must be quality,,,and of a good urethane,, "no carbon fiber",,they will breakThe instant you hit the first cat,,,and then the 2nd cat and 3rd cat. My opinionBuild a good urethane air dam,and reinforce the bottom of the airdam.In my sig pic that air splitter made that airdam so rigid it was amazing.So in Theory ,, if either a metal/aluminum strip was incorporated/mountedTo the bottom of the air dam,,,it would be some cheap Insurance to the structualStiffness,,so to speak. Good call. I agree regarding carbon fiber...urethane of some sort would be best. I like the idea of re-enforcing the bottom lip for sure...could be easily done. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quikconq Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Some may say the whole purpose of urethane built air dam,,is so it Flexes,,,,and yes that is what we all have had,,,and we all have broken airdams. I had hit several things with that air splitter/dam ,,,and it held up greatJust sayin from my experience. Maybe someone else with a splitter has some input. Edited November 6, 2012 by quikconq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr-starion Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Id be interested as long as its not fibreglass or carbon fiber, urethane would be awesome if its reinforced, i have a 3 piece airdam, but its all cracked and missing pieces, kinda hard to find one in good shape these days, id consider a 1 piece as long as it fits like an oem one thats ready to paint and not have to play with body filler and what not. Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Some may say the whole purpose of urethane built air dam,,is so itFlexes,,,,and yes that is what we all have had,,,and we all have broken airdams.I had hit several things with that air splitter/dam ,,,and it held up greatJust sayin from my experience.Maybe someone else with a splitter has some input. Well Quik, to those who are concerned....ANYTHING will break if it gets hit hard enough! LOL Urethane is going to offer the most natural maleability without sacrificing design integrity (i.e. it doesn't look like folded paper mache after a few hot summers). Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Id be interested as long as its not fibreglass or carbon fiber, urethane would be awesome if its reinforced, i have a 3 piece airdam, but its all cracked and missing pieces, kinda hard to find one in good shape these days, id consider a 1 piece as long as it fits like an oem one thats ready to paint and not have to play with body filler and what not. Danny Hey Danny, That's the goal here...to develop something that requires minimal additional work (paint, finish, etc). The 3 piece are very cool....but would require a lot more work to manufacture....hence more cost. As such, I agree that CF is not the way to go. There are some who swear by FRP, but again, one good shot and it's done. Urethane holds up better. Nick Edited November 6, 2012 by NikoFab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTTY Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 No to the 3 piece , no to grp or cf , not the desired materials , has to flexable and absorb some impact unlike the Mookeh airdam which is ok but one little tap and its cracked , and my spidey senses told me this would be your next mission ( if you choose to accept) and you shoulda called your D.B.A the "Lexan Texan". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 No to the 3 piece , no to grp or cf , not the desired materials , has to flexable and absorb some impact unlike the Mookeh airdam which is ok but one little tap and its cracked , and my spidey senses told me this would be your next mission ( if you choose to accept) and you shoulda called your D.B.A the "Lexan Texan". Scotty I would have replied to this about two minutes ago, but I had to pick myself back up off the floor! LOL! Lexan Texan...has a good ring to it! That's kinduv what I was figuring, but wanted to get the membership's take on things...after all, they're the ones shelling out the hard-earned dollars. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Oh yeah Scott, my compliments to your spidey senses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTTY Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Anyway back to the serious biz ,i would imagine its not a cheap thing to make , research and development , making a mould bla,bla and bla , i could go on , the market is there , i would buy one and would pay the right price for one made of the right material meaning NOT fiberglass ! , also not a cheap item to ship either . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Anyway back to the serious biz ,i would imagine its not a cheap thing to make , research and development , making a mould bla,bla and bla , i could go on , the market is there , i would buy one and would pay the right price for one made of the right material meaning NOT fiberglass ! , also not a cheap item to ship either . Well I'm not about making something crappy...so you can rule that out. R&D is actually the fun part for me, so no worries there. As far as shipping, I'm already taking measurements and weights to get an idea of how much we'll be looking at...and I think having a Fedex account will help with that cost some. I've got some phone calls in that I hope to hear back from the next few days. Then I'll have a much better understanding what this is going to take...both $$$-wise and time-wise. As always, thanks for the input Scotty! Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterVivi Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I have interest, but as the project progresses, my mind might change, of course. I have faith in you though, NikoFab! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I have interest, but as the project progresses, my mind might change, of course. I have faith in you though, NikoFab! I know cost is a concern...will be working on getting that down as low as possible! Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komeuppance Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Urethane or nothing. Cost, less than current prices. $249 was the price for the MK1 FRP. But that really depends on what kind of hook up you can get. $200 could be a possible target price. Looks, factory one piece... no "splitters". -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starquestJOE Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 IF the price was $200 us dollars id buy 4 of them. Even with shipping everyone on the forum would buy one. there would be no reason not to. i agree with robert for once......Urethane or nothing.....Looks, factory one piece... no "splitters". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infamos Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I don't have a need for one but if the price is right I'll get another. I would like it to be breakproof or reinforced if that is possible. I would like to get some type of molded cover that hugs the bottom lip of the airdamn to take the scratches, something that is disposable or can come off and be repainted easily. I currently have two SQs with an aluminum air splitter but it seems like I have more trouble getting up and down the curb. I already had to weld/fix one air splitter already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88-cnqst-tsi Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Ok good observation regarding the shipping. I've actually started my DBA and set up a Fedex account which helps discount shipping...so that may help. What do you consider high base price? Nickwell im kinda broke since my steering is done for so this might just be a cheap mans opinion but the 240+s&h from starionpartsfactory is a bit high i would like it at 175-200 + s&h would be ideal if you can still make enough money from that to make it worth while and then i have to buy paint on top of that to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOSTED88tsi Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 count me in if the price is reasonable, ill ditch this busted 3 piece in second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidjc Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I'm "IN" Nick... no doubt about it LexTex! I would definitely like the added feature of the splitter reinforcement! Of course in the materials mentioned for the base dam, as for the slpitter? (not sure, but I do know that Brians held up great; "tried to buy it from him ") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasQuest Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I definately would be interested in a urethane oem airdam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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