plh Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) Strengthen the 5 Speed behind the 2.6l in your Conquests and Starions. These pans are tooled from Aluminum 6061-T6 alloy and measure 19mm thickness. They come with 12 pieces grade 8.8 M8 mounting studs and serrated flange nuts. A M18 threaded hole is included for your OEM drain plug. The pans will also fit the KM145 in Gen 1 Raiders - Monteros - Pajeros. For best performance to use Loctite #518 and no gasket when installing. please paypal USD $110.00 including shipping within the USA. International shipping at variable rates email questions to: nsm.paul(at)gmail.com or PM for further information. Premium kit now available includes Loctite 518, Pro Seal Blue Thread Lock, and a fiber drain plug gasket. Add $10 to order (USD $120 total within USA). Will ship international. I am a regular poster at 4x4wire with the same user name. (I am a Raider aficionado) http://www.ns-micro.com/~phanson/pics/640_480/PanTop_prof_sm.JPG http://www.ns-micro.com/~phanson/pics/640_480/PanBottom_plug_sm.JPG http://www.ns-micro.com/~phanson/pics/640_480/PanBottom_sm.JPG Edited December 30, 2009 by plh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_C. Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Please explain the benefit of these and why we would need one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallblock12 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 do you have prooof to show that this helps?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newquest86 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 this is what the 1988-1989 5 speed transmissions use thats why they are stronger as people on here say. earlier transmissions have stamped steel pans. can anyone tell us for sure why the 1988-1989 transmissions are stronger ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoBodyGod Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 The only thing I can see in difference between a 87 & 88 transmission is.....Mitsubishi started stamping vin numbers on the 88 & 89 transmissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plh Posted December 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 The only thing I can see in difference between a 87 & 88 transmission is.....Mitsubishi started stamping vin numbers on the 88 & 89 transmissions. Mitsu added the cast pans in 88 & 89 to reduce case flex with the higher output engines. The cast pans are getting pretty difficult to find, so I tooled the stronger 6061-T6 billet pans. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/silverquest/PQ%20manual%20pics/album_pic.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MainstreaM Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 88-89 had several improvements most notable the cast aluminum "waffle" pan and a different design on the input shaft bearing. Alot of the differences you won't see but can tell if start measuring different internal components. With the tight tolerances found in a transmission, even a small amount of movement can cause big problems. Case flex was apparently a problem and the "waffle" pan was the fix. PLH's pan is intended to serve this same function and is a bit overkill, but is that really a bad thing. This is mostly an upgrade for those with 87 and older cars, but with the thickness on his, 88-89's could benefit as well. If you need proof, push on a body panel (stamped steel), then push on say your valve cover (cast aluminum). Kane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plh Posted December 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 do you have prooof to show that this helps??Well, I don't have a cast pan from the '88 / '89 series. Anyone have a measurement of the wall thickness? I built these for the KM145 transmission which all came with the stamped steel pan. As a plus they are interchangable with the KM132 as you probably already know. I'm running strain gauge testing comparing the billet 6061-T6 pans to the OEM stamped steel units and will publish the results in early February over at 4x4wire(dot)com. If you have a spare 88/89 cast pan I could borrow for a couple weeks I'll include it in the data.Thanks! -Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoBodyGod Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 19mm to english is what.. 3/4's of an inch thick? I could see this adding some strength to the overall structure of our transmissions, but not significantly. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the transmission is 3/4's thick as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoBodyGod Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 http://images50.fotki.com/v1571/photos/1/1363144/6436261/015-vi.jpgHosted on Fotki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89PalermoSHP Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 19mm to english is what.. 3/4's of an inch thick? I could see this adding some strength to the overall structure of our transmissions, but not significantly. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the transmission is 3/4's thick as well? actually mm would be english, they use the metric system. 19mm = .7480" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoBodyGod Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 actually mm would be english, they use the metric system. 19mm = .7480" Thank you for the schooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plh Posted December 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 (edited) Premium kit now available includes Loctite 518, Pro Seal Blue Thread Lock, and a fiber drain plug gasket. Add $10 to order (USD $120 total within USA) Edited December 30, 2009 by plh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexkrazy Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I might be a noob here, but this looks like a good idea. And usually 4x4 guys know how to make s*** strong. Only thing is, us pavement guys like stuff light. Any chance of getting you to whack some webbing out of some of these? maybe with a slight bevel to keep the stress risers down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technology Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I might be a noob here, but this looks like a good idea. And usually 4x4 guys know how to make s*** strong. Only thing is, us pavement guys like stuff light. Any chance of getting you to whack some webbing out of some of these? maybe with a slight bevel to keep the stress risers down? Hey, you should be banned for using fancy engineering parlance like that. And can't you see, there is no webbing on the piece he's offering, it's just got a milled depression to hold tranny fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plh Posted December 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I might be a noob here, but this looks like a good idea. And usually 4x4 guys know how to make s*** strong. Only thing is, us pavement guys like stuff light. Any chance of getting you to whack some webbing out of some of these? maybe with a slight bevel to keep the stress risers down? I looked into an option with ribbing on the exterior but that adds a bunch of expense - more than double due to the extra machining time. These plate now weigh about 5 lbs with the hardware. Would there be interest in a lighter version for around $200 +/-? Probably would be somewhere around 1.0lb lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmyers151 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I'm not sure if by ribbing you mean cooling fins, but if so, you can buy aluminum bar stock with pre-extruded fins and save a bunch on machining. Something like this, but obviously with less extreme fins and a thicker base:http://www.accelthermal.com/dynimages/pages/sample133.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89PalermoSHP Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I'm not sure if by ribbing you mean cooling fins, but if so, you can buy aluminum bar stock with pre-extruded fins and save a bunch on machining. Something like this, but obviously with less extreme fins and a thicker base:http://www.accelthermal.com/dynimages/pages/sample133.jpg seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_C. Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 No, I think he means ribbing that is very similar to the OEM '88/'89 style pan. To make it lighter without losing strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komeuppance Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 What kinda HP you running your 'stero?? Also, how does the km145 hold up with the upgraded pan?? -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexkrazy Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I looked into an option with ribbing on the exterior but that adds a bunch of expense - more than double due to the extra machining time. These plate now weigh about 5 lbs with the hardware. Would there be interest in a lighter version for around $200 +/-? Probably would be somewhere around 1.0lb lighter. Hmm, yea maybe it's not worth it. I imagined it being a bit heavier. Maybe I should actually look at my plate first HAHA. Thanks for the reply, I'll probably order one soon seeing how fairly priced you have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plh Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Hmm, yea maybe it's not worth it. I imagined it being a bit heavier. Maybe I should actually look at my plate first HAHA. Thanks for the reply, I'll probably order one soon seeing how fairly priced you have them. Thanks, let me know if you want one as they are today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plh Posted January 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Here is a photo of the Premium Kit http://www.ns-micro.com/~phanson/pics/640_480/PremKit.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plh Posted January 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Nice comps here from the guy in Australia that bought 3 premium kits for himself and other local Starion owners. Comps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plh Posted March 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Time change bump... That means spring is coming and time to get those HOT cars (and trucks) ready for summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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