Maybe we don't need gas! Heres an alternitive.

[Quest4life]

I saw a news cast on this on one of our local stations which is the same web page I got this link from. might be worth a try. watch the video at the end. It was on the local news.

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[spoolinturbo]

junk IMO

[Quest4life]

So I take it you've tried it? What didn't work?

[spoolinturbo]

no just common sense.

that and the guy has yet to make a full "HHO" version yet...pfffft whatever. i would run my car on propane before i ran my car on water.

[Big Al]

I'll give you a quick rundown on EXACTLY why this is crap.

 

First do you realize the energy that is required to split molecules? I was on a submarine for 5 years and we used water to make our oxygen. First off we had to have pure water to create the oxygen from (Pure water is NOTHING but H2O no other particles were acceptable in the water). Second we used Potassium Hydroxide as an electrolyte. I can't remember the voltage or the amperage we used unfortunately since it's been nearly 3 years since I was running that machine. Then add on top the sheer size of the machine required to do all this... Imagine a full size entertainment center. One big enough to fit about a 42" TV. Now stick that in your car to create hydrogen. I don't foresee that happening in the near future.

 

Granted my experience is limited to the military but I'm sure if it were actually feasable, someone would actually be producing these in cars coming off the lines right now.

 

Besides watch Mythbusters. They blew ALL these fuel saving ideas out of the water already.

[Quest4life]

I can't say it is for real or not I do know he has a patent on his system and there are some big car companies interested and he is driving a car running on the combination. I would be happy with even that if I could get 40 mpg rather then the 12 I get in my truck now. I guess time will tell. Interesting concept regardless. At one time a computer took up an entire room. now look at what we have. Maybe not today but I believe soon we will run on Hydrogen and gas and eventualy just Hydrogen in a compact fashion. If not already. Edited May 28, 2008 by Quest4life

[spoolinturbo]

i dont think hydrogen will ever happen. the mass population thinks its too volatile and dangerous. but who knows =)

[RichyQuest87]

there has been an ongoing discussion about this on the megasquirt forums

[tim si]

if you go to youtube and search ''stan meyer water cell'' youll find a dune buggy that can run on water only.the oil companys tried to buy him out and he turned them down,the guy got a contract to start production and was poisoned the same day.he said he had designed a kit that would convert any car over to hydrogen for 1500 dollers.i know most people think its crazy but ive ignited hydrogen that was produced from a 65 amp altinator and its an amazing display.btw that myth busters thing was bogus.i watched it.they also had an ex fbi agent monitoring every move they made.this is just my opinion but weve all seen how the price of gas affect the economy,now think of what happened if all of a sudden it was free.the rich would get poor and the poor would get rich.dont you think there are people out there that would try to prevent that.

[spoolinturbo]

heard about that actually

[tsi_tom]

i dont think hydrogen will ever happen. the mass population thinks its too volatile and dangerous. but who knows =)

 

I was wondering how much more volatile or explosive hydrogen is compared to gasonline.

[tim si]

ive been told its 2 1/2 times more powerful.i know it burns very fast.a hydro bubble half the size of your finger nail is like a m-80 going off and ive seen it.you can do it with a battery charger and some stiff wire but be careful Edited May 28, 2008 by tim si

[Skippy]

Here is a site I found when searching about this. http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

 

They state that you can't convert enough water fast enough to make it usable so you need a storage system. Not sure about how legit this site is as I didnt research them but from reading up a bit it appears that most sites are fly by night scams that do not have a product and probably never will.

[Maxzillian]

Per pound, hydrogen has a great energy content. Per volume, hydrogen has a crappy energy content. That being said, for an engine running hydrogen to make comparable power to a gas engine it must be direct injected under pressure. Otherwise if it's port or throttle body injection, you can't possible get enough hydrogen into the engine. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I seem to remember it's 1/3 to 1/2 the power per liter.

 

Also, hydrogen can react explosively when it seeps by the piston rings during normal operation so crankcase venting is extremely important.

 

So just keep in mind, it's not only a problem of generating the hydrogen, but also getting your car to run properly and safely off of it. In my opinion, a hydrogen/gas system is the most feasible method at the moment.

 

Something else that hasn't been mentioned yet is that electrolysis (which at least 90% of these companies tout) is an inefficient process. It's about 70% efficient in the most ideal conditions to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. In other words, it takes 130% more energy to create hydrogen on the go than what the hydrogen can give up. Now toss the fact no engine is more than 15-20% efficient on top of that and we have a serious energy deficit.

 

The only way a hydrogen system is feasible is if it somehow improves the combustion process which has yet to be conclusively proven. As far as I know, it has largely been speculation.

Edited May 28, 2008 by Maxzillian

[Shelby]

any one ever wonder why it is that after 35 years we still are only just now starting to get cars that get maybe 30-34 mpg, some one sure drop'd the ball

cars actualy start'd to get worse mpg for 20 yrs ,, i guess selling more gas in the most important thing

 

it's funny for under $3k you could buy a 68 auto that got 28 mpg or better and here we are 40 years later and for $25k you get 5 extra mpg if your real lucky , some thing about the whole thing stinks to high heaven

[Whiplash]

Anyone know where someone could get ceramic sleeves for a Chevy 350? I had a customer contact me the other day stating he's converting his engine to run on water.

[patra_is_here]

you people realize that if water was a viable energy source we'd be running water powered vehicles long before the 'oil companies got control', and there'd be water powered vehicles in places where the oil companies don't have as much control. and, the fact that there's tens of thousands of engineers in america who have enough education to whip up a water powered vehicle if it was really that easy and feasible. or you would have seen the technology in countries with a government control fuel industry like china, so then they wouldn't have to depend on fossil fuels and the country could make money and gain international dominance.

 

seriously. the only thing that kinda makes any sense is if you make a hydrolysis device at home and use a storage tank to make a gas/hydrogen hybrid to cut back on your fuel costs, but then, you're paying a larger electric bill, which, depending on where you live, may come from burning fossil fuels, which is going to cost you there.

[PDX87Starion]

i dont think hydrogen will ever happen. the mass population thinks its too volatile and dangerous. but who knows =)

 

It will happen, it will just be a slow transition because of the lack of infrastructure and the profit motive.

 

Any internal combustion engine can run on straight hydrogen. On mythbusters their HHO converter thing couldn't

make enough to work, but they had a bottle of pure hydrogen and they put the hose over the carb and they started the car right up

on hydrogen. When he pulled the hydrogen tube away from the carb, the car died. They were both amazed that a regular car started and

ran on pure hydrogen.

 

Here is Jay leno talking about BMW's hydrogen/gas powered 7 series: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_b3_0IAI2JU

 

All we need is cheaper cleaner ways to produce hydrogen. I think we could do it, if it was a national priority.

Edited May 28, 2008 by PDX87Starion

[Quest4life]

The way I figure it is that nothing happens until someone figures it out. We have had a lot smart :character0056: people in our world since the start of time and yet new things are invented every day. Think back on how many things we have today that are so simple and you and I are not rich from thinking if it. Sometimes the simplest things are overlooked. This is a perfect example. How many people have looked at this and actually tried it. I bet no one. and yet so many say it can't work. We do not know that. It may or may not. It appears there is some evidence that it may. How rich would you be if you would have thought :idea: of the hula hoop, The Frisbee, Jump rope, how about that little thing you put on your ankle and the jump over it with the other foot as it spins around or the 2 plastic balls on a string you knock together that does nothing but make noise that everyone had to have when it first came out. It just doesn't get any easier then any of those and yet it took years for someone to stumble upon it or simply take the initiative to market it. Remember the episode of Mash where Klinger wanted to market the hula Hoop and Frisbee and no one would back him because they all thought it wouldn't go over? I bet that happens all the time where people have great ideas but either don't know how or have the means to market it. Or someone talks them out of it because they are a skeptic. Who ever thought a diesel would run on cooking oil? It does! When I get the extra money I plan to try it. I will then know first hand if it works, until then I guess it would be a bit presumptuous to assume it can’t. I realize I am a bit of an optimist but life would suck with out a little hope!! :usa:

[patra_is_here]

JUST A COMMENT TO THAT MYTHBUSTER EPISODE: just because a car runs doesn't mean you can drive it. they didn't run it on a dyno and see what kind of numbers it puts down. who knows how things behave under load.

[Mazarin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydEkV-E0mP8

 

Hmmmmm...

[PDX87Starion]

JUST A COMMENT TO THAT MYTHBUSTER EPISODE: just because a car runs doesn't mean you can drive it. they didn't run it on a dyno and see what kind of numbers it puts down. who knows how things behave under load.

 

True, but there are prototype cars that are running on it now. Did you see the jay leno link.

 

I'm just amazed that there is even a fuel that will burn in a normal internal combustion engine and the only by-product is water.

If we really want to get off of oil dependence this looks like a good way.

 

 

PS with all these people claiming that they are running a car on just hho made by the cars 12v, cant this easily be confirmed or denied?

Well I guess thats what mythbusters tried to do. But if it didn't work at all why are there all these people and vids trying to show us it works.

They all cant be trying to sell us the kits.

[FlattopMike]

True, but there are prototype cars that are running on it now. Did you see the jay leno link.

 

I'm just amazed that there is even a fuel that will burn in a normal internal combustion engine and the only by-product is water.

If we really want to get off of oil dependence this looks like a good way.

 

 

PS with all these people claiming that they are running a car on just hho made by the cars 12v, cant this easily be confirmed or denied?

Well I guess thats what mythbusters tried to do. But if it didn't work at all why are there all these people and vids trying to show us it works.

They all cant be trying to sell us the kits.

 

 

Because people want to believe and are willing to give away their money in the hopes that it is true.

Just ask Jerry Falwell! :eek1bluegreen:

[Mazarin]

Right now, the only way HHO can be done on an exsisting setup w/o spending more than you save in gas is a combo of gas and HHO. It ups the MPG quite a bit that way. They even have summer/winter mixtures and highway/WOT applications.

 

I'm pondering the setup on my next car. Just pondering.

[Skippy]

JUST A COMMENT TO THAT MYTHBUSTER EPISODE: just because a car runs doesn't mean you can drive it. they didn't run it on a dyno and see what kind of numbers it puts down. who knows how things behave under load.

 

There are several real world trials out there so yes, it runs, and yes it works under load.

 

From what I have gathered in my looking hydrogen is more combustable then gas which is the reason they created the Hydrogen bomb as less of it created a "bigger bang". There appears to be 3 ways to store it, one you can actually pierce the container with no problem which would be the way it is for cars. The other 2 ways are way to dangerous to have in cars.

 

According to the website I posted above, the 4 bottles they have get about 350 miles which is pretty comparable to a typical full tank of gas. It then takes 14 hours to charge them again using the solar charging system they have.