ghinckley68 Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 So which is easier to get 400hp out of. Since Bill makes a t56 bellhousing for both those are my two enging choices my g54 is over the hill. Since it needs a rebuild its tie to decided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 4G63 my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSQuest88 Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Back in my dsm days I spent a lot of money trying to keep mine going. What I'm getting at is if you decide on going with the 4g63 make sure you build it right the first time with quality parts that work well together. Otherwise your car will be on jack stands more than it ever has before. I know this doesn't help your decision a whole lot but something to keep in mind. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostd92 Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 If you're gonna do a T56 swap, why not just swap the LS1 in with it... way better than a 4G63 or G54 (and probably cheaper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghinckley68 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 if i do a v8 it will be a hemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghinckley68 Posted June 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 beside i want an ecomonmy tune in the computer most of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Then go V8. 4G63 isnt any more reliable than the G54B Edited June 3, 2014 by Funky Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 i dont see any 63 head, deck or gasket problems like the 54. Zero cylinder blocks splitting eitheralmost every dead 63 I've come accross was neglected timing belts and tensioner. Extremely common. Don't blame the motorBoth my DSMs ran perfect, purchased at 170+ and 190+k miles. Everything "looked" 100% virgin underhood. 54s ?No need to dump $$$$ on any mpi 'conversion'..... or clowns drooling over a dohc versionA member posted a while back, hit 560+ atw with an untouched junkyard $30 hyundai head(same as dsm)Cams that actually 'work' instead of this 54 hit or miss stuffPlenty dsm dynos without the 54 characteristic tq nosedive. Recipees for monsters availableSeveral tuning optionsTon of info on austarion forum, with numerous paths to 63 dohc detailedA versatile motor, without the penalties. Mitsu/starion roots, is the cherry on topU can still boast that u have a "real" starquest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSiTSi Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 I love the 4G63. They're actually great engines and as long as you keep up on the maintenance, like everything else, they last. I purchased my last Talon with 92,000 miles and drove it until 192,000 before selling it without a single issue. Preventative maintenance is key with these engines like the timing belt every 60k. It's also helpful to do a balance shaft delete. Stock internals are also good for up to 400hp and with the option of DSMLink (ECMLink) as a tuning device, there's no reason for a engine to grenade. Once I get my cable to hook up dsmlink I should be pushing 380 hp safely on all stock engine minus the bolt on mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 youll have more in that swap for 400 and much pain. A turbo and mpi will do it with ease on a 2.6. And be funner to drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 There is a member here with a 380whp 420tq 140kmi STOCK block 2.6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 hmmm..... dunno, man63 swap can b done for less than a 54/mpi, depending on the route u choose and your skill levelLast dsm I paid $500 for a fwd laser complete, as a donor. Solid drivetrain, but had non-turbo ecu(owner's mistake)Wanna stick with a starion gbox ? http://forums.austarion.com/viewtopic.php?t=10602Some rwd run the dsm/vr4 oe exhaust manifoldGoing w58, r154, or custom header, etc... will cost the same wheather 54 or 63DSMs gone past 400hp/400tq stock block, stock head, stock cams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Its funny when people put together anti 2.6 comparisons. They price the other engine like its gonna come perfect and drop in ready at used cost, then all 2.6 stuff is brand new this, brand new that. $2200 for a complete MPI 2.6..... Why not stay with stock trans? Empty hp requirement says nothing toward how it will be used. Why would a 2.6 need a header? $70 in mods of mine (new parts) and it did 400hp without issue. A unknown mileage 4g63 should get a new timing belt. Especially if you want to make power and daily it. Most will do it wrong and bend valves and chip pistons. Edited June 4, 2014 by Funky Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 multiport a stock manifold because it works just fine for under $300. MS1 $250, build harness out of stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinx Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 header mentioned because that link chose to use one..... ditto the oe starion gbox Again, some swaps do use oe dsm manifolds, and we know what kinda power they're capable ofand yes, the majority of 63s, JZs, LS, etc do come "drop-in ready"Would be silly 2 not put a fresh belt and tensioner on an 'unknown' 63, but u r right.... some still won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSiTSi Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Hey FunkyPhil what did you do to get 400hp? Not bashing, just wondering because I'd like to get that out of my 2.6 if I'm already knocking on that door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 make it run good and tune it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghinckley68 Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Hey FunkyPhil what did you do to get 400hp? Not bashing, just wondering because I'd like to get that out of my 2.6 if I'm already knocking on that door! yea i double that please elaborate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Phil Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 What didI do? click my sig.How can it be done? Many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technology Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 first choose the turbo that will make the HP you want. then add air and fuel until it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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