'87quest Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I hear a lot about deleting the ABS on our cars.. just curious what are the benefits of doing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natallica Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 "Weight Loss" -N8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hachi_destroyer Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Some say that on a racetrack, you can be faster and brake harder without ABS. But you have to really know what you're doing and be giving it the business for that to make much of a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 i have had more ABS cars then not ABS and i didnt really notice much differencefrom what i can rememeber. i did like the room you had without it. i will probablydelete it on this car as well and go with all SS lines front and rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott87star Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Yeah, its more about getting rid of that huge can on the passenger side firewall than it is performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMNDSTAR87 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I HAVE HAMMERED THE BRAKES WHEN I HAD THE ABS AND ALSO SINCE I REMOVED IT AND I DID NOT NOTICE A BIG DIF.AS SCOTT MENTIONED ABOVE ITS MORE ABOUT AESTHETICS THAN ANY LOSS OR GAIN IN BRAKE PERFORMANCE.EASY TO REMOVE BUT IF THE CANISTER IN THE ENGINE BAY DOES NOT BOTHER YOU AND IT IS WORKING I WOULD LEAVE IT ALONE.GIG OUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88-cnqst-tsi Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 to add a cool braided ss line in the bay, free up room in the bay and trunk, to stay occupied, get rid of a potential vacuum leak, some say a harder petal but to do that you should get rid of the rubber lines and get a ss line kit and also to live dangerously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dope909 Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 I did it on mine because I wanted a cleaner engine bay. It was honestly really simple, took maybe a hour to remove the unit and install the new brake line while taking a couple of beer brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'87quest Posted July 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 What's this new brake line I need?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud81918 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I removed mine as well. It is basicly a .5 generation system. It came out before most cars had ABS and it is very primitive. Period reviews of the Starquest question the ABS systems abilities and some review car's rear ABS systems were broken from the factory. Any system of that era that doesn't actually look at the rotation of the wheels is not going to be positive. Today's tires and brake compounds have gotten much better and you can generate enough force to trigger such systems easily without being at the lockup point. To me removing it is a positive step. ABS itself can be a tricky beast. The full on first gen systems on older cars effect the whole braking system and most time can be out stopped by non-ABS systems; Even more so as tire and brake compounds have evolved. Channelized ABS is amazing (watching each wheel and applying aniti-lock independently) but most cars that I have are too old for that. There are also brake unloading systems that work on registered G load or body movement and change brake bias accordingly. Commonly these systems cut pressure to the rear brakes. I know the first gen Ford Focus has a system like this. I sort of view that Starquest system as one of these, even though it does a bit more than that. Getting rid of it seems like a smart bet if you are wanting to improve on the braking system. If the ABS system is working sticky tires and high performance brake pads will probably just drive the system into ABS mode far before you reach maximum brake force, and muddying the experience a with no real perceivable benefit. If the system isn't working, it is just taking up space, adding weight, and giving you more braking system to bleed. The only argument I can see for keeping it is if you want your car to be all original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'87quest Posted July 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Okay well I don't see any thread on How to actually delete ABS so could any of you guys give me any advice? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud81918 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) It may take some searching. I bought my line of LowerShores on ebay. But he is out of that area now. I have heard of people using hardline to bypas the ABS too, but don't have any firther info on that. Google search is better than the search on this forum. Most searches are limited to more than 3 charictors per word, so "ABS" is difficult to search for.Go to google, then type "ABS Delete site:starquestclub.com" I'm certain you'll find more that way. Edited July 22, 2013 by Cloud81918 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88-cnqst-tsi Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=135785&do=findComment&comment=1337903 and http://koquest.homestead.com/ABSRemoval.html will help, ask if you have further questions and I recommend a line with 2 90 degree end so the line will not kink or have a large radius bend to the proportioning valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dope909 Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 On mine I went with a Wilwood Brake Flexline part number 220-6414 with a Fragola -3 A-N Steel Brake Adapter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 brake line...i used a 30 inch piece of line with eclipse fittings on the ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'87quest Posted July 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Okay so all I would need to completely eliminate ABS is a brakeline with an adapter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) no adapter just a brake line about 30 inches long that fits an eclipse.it has to have the metric type threaded fitting on each end.the part can be from Autozone or advance auto parts or anyparts store for under 10 bucks.im sure if you search on here, there is a ton of write ups on it. http://koquest.homes...ABSRemoval.html Edited July 22, 2013 by importwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88-cnqst-tsi Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 if you do a flex line you need 2 -3AN to 10mm X 1.0 both male ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'87quest Posted July 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Thanks everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_crandall Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) I cut my line going to the abs and bent it to shape. Then put the fitting on and double flared it the line end. It worked great haven't leaked. And I wrapped a bolt in electrical tape and stuck it in the booster hose and clamped it down. Line from boosterhttp://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee495/joey_crandall/42DBF522-4E27-4A5A-BF6A-4CDE3CB6FE61-10043-00000E8EC41B507A.jpg See the small line that has 2 90 degree bends that my non abs linehttp://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee495/joey_crandall/128B67DF-3A16-4380-9E93-6040C582D1AD-10043-00000E8EF3AD08BB.jpg http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee495/joey_crandall/69216CB4-519C-4D3E-951F-A712775E7566-10043-00000E8EFABDF9B3.jpg The middle line on the master cylinder goes to the abs pump then there is a line that goes to the proportioning valve from the abs pump. So you need a line that goes from the master cylind to the prop valve, non abs cars had these. I had my engine out when I did mine, so you may have trouble doing what I did... Good luck Edited July 24, 2013 by joey_crandall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'87quest Posted July 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Ahh that's a much better view! now I can at least see how I need to do it.. I think ill spend the $20 and get a flex line to make it easy. Will I need swiveling adapters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natallica Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I cut my line going to the abs and bent it to shape. Then put the fitting on and double flared it the line end. It worked great haven't leaked. And I wrapped a bolt in electrical tape and stuck it in the booster hose and clamped it down. Line from boosterhttp://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee495/joey_crandall/42DBF522-4E27-4A5A-BF6A-4CDE3CB6FE61-10043-00000E8EC41B507A.jpg See the small line that has 2 90 degree bends that my non abs linehttp://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee495/joey_crandall/128B67DF-3A16-4380-9E93-6040C582D1AD-10043-00000E8EF3AD08BB.jpg http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee495/joey_crandall/69216CB4-519C-4D3E-951F-A712775E7566-10043-00000E8EFABDF9B3.jpg The middle line on the master cylinder goes to the abs pump then there is a line that goes to the proportioning valve from the abs pump. So you need a line that goes from the master cylind to the prop valve, non abs cars had these. I had my engine out when I did mine, so you may have trouble doing what I did... Good luckShould this be stickied in VM or FAQ (Suspension, Steering, Brakes)?Looks like a decent fix to me, a lot of guys may like this info, IMO. -N8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tg118 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) I used NAPA Part # 813-1273 its a 30 inch line and bent it to fit ... 5$ Edited July 24, 2013 by tg118 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 +1 thats what i did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88-cnqst-tsi Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Ahh that's a much better view! now I can at least see how I need to do it.. I think ill spend the $20 and get a flex line to make it easy. Will I need swiveling adapters?no, just get fixed 90 degree fittings on each end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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