UN gun Grab

[Metric-man]

http://www.nagr.org/UN_lp_survey2.aspx?pid=key07&gclid=CJn3v9H42qYCFQYLbAodIEkP2A

 

WTW is up with this ???

 

First I've heard of it.

[UlrichWolf88]

It's crap!

 

Tim

[Fuze]

You are being ridiculous, Metric.

[Technology]

http://teapartynewswatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hand-gun.jpg

 

It's funny where that picture comes from.

[PDX87Starion]

Yeah what is up with that? Its not election time yet.

Gotta wait another year before the "there gonna take our guns..." rhetoric starts up again.

 

I do find it interesting that now the boogie man is the UN instead of Obama.

I was sure Obama was gonna take our guns. We theres always his second term.

[Technology]

Pretty sure he doesn't care about normal democrat stuff. Would all you republicans be happier if he was only trying to get rid of guns and raise taxes instead of expanding gubment?

[Shelby]

i beleave unless something stupendus happens he'l see no sec term

 

you know like he walks on water

or grows wings

[Metric-man]

You are being ridiculous, Metric.

 

huh ?

oh that's right,

were you are your fingers are already cold ?

 

I love to come here and escape from reality just like anybody else, and have a good laugh, when things get too real.

 

But recently things are getting a little too real for my Constitution.

 

I was OK when foreigners came to this country and had ethnic differences,

but it seems now they come to our country and have their own religious cleansing.

 

If that doesn't strike a cord maybe you don't get out enough or they don't want to live near were you live...

at first I thought I was going crazy and imagining things, but now reality is starting to sink in.

 

There are serious contingencies out west here, I don't know about the rest of the country, or if anyone cares to notice,

maybe most are still in denial, but one day in the very near future if you don't try to see,

your suddenly going to feel a breeze on the backside and wonder why your belt loops are around your ankles.

 

I for one,

I like to have the freedom to act with manners and beliefs that are familiar to me,

and if some one else wants to believe something different, I am not going to act indignantly looking down my nose ,

and whisper about them for the way they live, or use a ruse to get them to confide in there beliefs,

only to try to mame or kill them.

 

Yeah pretty soon were just going to start throwing rocks at each other...

 

So in a way, your right... that is pretty ridiculous if you ask me...

let me keep my gun so I can even out the odds.

Edited January 28, 2011 by Metric-man

[Metric-man]

An example of civil rights that were ignored in other countries after the 2WW part of a treaty the US was involved in

http://www.mrdarius.com/fb/wfd.txt

We were forced to go out and defend our country, our farms, the very land splashed with the blood of our forefathers. Human dignity obligated us to resist the trampling of our human rights, to resist servitude. We cannot accept the lies, the deceit, the perversion of truth and other evils harmful to our nation. Our efforts are praiseworthy. We have truth on our side and are justified in the eyes of the civilized world. The Almighty will bless and support our struggle.

J. Kasperavi ius1

 

Analyzing official Western involvement in Lithuania from 1944-1953 is difficult. The main reason for this is that CIA and SIS documents regarding the topic are not declassified. The closest one can come is to analyze Soviet sources and to extrapolate on diary entries, partisan publications, and testimony transcripts. The information in the following report will begin with an introduction and a background of medieval Lithuanian history. Moving through World War II history to the history of the partisan fight for independence, an attempt to draw a picture of Western involvement in this fight and an analysis of its effectiveness will be made.

 

Introduction

Lithuanian sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers have fought for the independence of their country many times over. They have experienced ruthless massacres, betrayals, and degradation at the hands of Russians and Soviets. One of the bloodiest chapters in this history was the one spanning from 1944-53, when Lithuanian guerrilla fighters amassed a force large enough to resist the Soviet forces streaming into Lithuania replacing the retreating Nazi occupiers.

Ironically, this period in Lithuania s history was one in which it ostensibly had the most support from foreign powers in the fight against Communism. Many factors were in Lithuania s favor with overt incidences such as the escalation of tensions over Soviet acquisition of nuclear power in 1949, the Truman Doctrine and Marshall Plan in 1947, Western military confrontations with communism in Berlin in 1948 and Korea in 1950, and the establishment of NATO in 1949; it is easy to see why the Lithuanian partisan fighters believed that liberation was close at hand. Even covert events such as the passing of NSC 4-a, NSC 10/2, and NSC-68 in 1947, 1948, and 1950 respectively, could be construed as having created beneficial situations for the partisan cause.

The early resistance in Lithuania against forced annexation was a defining moment for the start of the Cold War. During this time, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) solidified its existence as an institution that could implement effective containment and rollback policies. With the creation of the Office of Strategic Operations (OSO) and the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC) in 1947 and 1948 respectively, the CIA was provided with vehicles to carry out operations within the Soviet Union using migr s from the occupied states.

Britain s Secret Intelligence Service (SIS, MI6) implemented similar strategies at the outset of the Cold War. SIS operations experienced a large amount of Soviet counter-espionage, leading to many embarrassing moments for the British and the eventual closing of its Baltic operations in 1956.

Forces on both sides of the Iron Curtain were working in Lithuania to achieve their own aims. Two particular stories will be followed those of Juozas Luk a and Jonas Deksnys. Luk a embodied the partisan who was in favor of active resistance, always willing to give his life in the fight for freedom, as he eventually did. Deksnys, a passive resistance advocate, was eventually turned from the partisan cause by the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs (NKVD Narodnii Kommissariat Vnutrennykh Del), and embodies the tragedy that was Western ability to recognize Soviet espionage.2

The Lithuanian partisans met varying levels of success, depending on how one would consider they measured success. They fought into the 1950 s, eliciting the comment that the border regions do not easily lend themselves to destruction from Stalin.3 The signing of the Panmunjon Armistice Agreement on 27 July 1953 and the bloody suppression of the Hungarian rebellion on 4 November 1956 eliminated hopes for a successful armed resistance, especially when coupled with savage Soviet gosudarstvennoye proverka (state searches) of the forests from 1948-1952. While the partisans won individual skirmishes killing between 4,000 and 13,000 NKVD agents and regular Red Army troops, the proverbial battle was lost in 1952, when Alfonsas Ramanauskas (Vanagas), the last officer in the Lithuanian War of Liberation Army (LLKS Lietuvos Laisv s Kov S j dis) declared a surrender.4

The foreign intelligence operations can summarily be deemed failures. The main reason for this failure was the thorough penetration of the SIS by NKVD agents. Soviet operations resembled the Monarchist Association of Central Russia (a.k.a. Trust ) fiasco of the early 1920 s. The SIS had been duped into believing that the Trust was a legitimate anti-Bolshevik network, while it was actually run by Soviet state security the Unified State Political Directorate (OGPU Ob'edinennoe Gosudarstvennoe Politicheskoe Upravlenie). So successful were the similar deception operations of the late 1940 s, that at times both NKVD radio signals under the guise of being partisan signals and genuine partisan signals sent to the CIA and the SIS appealed for increased aid to the partisans.

This Soviet game ended hopes that there could be meaningful Western support of active, armed partisans. Consequently, the partisans, hoping for legitimate support, would receive support that was inadequate or infiltrated by the NKVD. While the majority of these shortcomings were the result of massive NKVD infiltration, the ends that the partisans desired and the means that the West employed were skewed. Many partisans believed in the imminence of a world conflagration and Western actions encouraged their hopes of this, but the West did not supply the full commitment that would have been needed to fully resist the Soviet occupation.

To understand partisan motives and goals, one must look at Lithuanian history. This history is essential to understand Lithuanian emotions, as is the case with most Eastern Europeans and their histories that seem to bear a direct influence on their present actions. According to Gerutis,

A century of fervent national revival, culminating in the reestablishment of an independent state, produced strong commitments to national ideals and the national state. The younger generation was sensitive to the medieval grandeur of Lithuanian statehood; it took modern Lithuanian s independence as an axiom, and therefore refused to reconcile itself to its loss. This...combined with the traditional hatred of Russian rule and the reaction to the alien totalitarian regime introduced by the Russian communists, crystallized into active opposition to the Kremlin s occupation.5

 

The Lithuanian partisans were among several groups resisting Soviet rule in the Baltics, collectively known as the Forest Brothers. These guerrillas were driven by the hope that their countries brutal occupations would not be accepted by the Western powers. The Americans and the British fostered these hopes by taking lines that promised their committments to liberating oppressed nations. The partisans sat in their cramped, cold, and wet bunkers in the forests awaiting this aid, fearing the NKVD at every turn only to be liberated by insufficiently armed partisans who had been trained in the West and were all captured, deceived, or killed within two years of their arrivals. In the end, these attempts at armed intervention were complete failures, benefiting neither the West nor the Lithuanians.

 

[Metric-man]

Tactics of the Crescent Moon

H.John Poole

ISBN 0-9638695-7-4

 

Chapter 10

 

Principal Threats to the Coalition

 

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard sent an expeditionary force to Lebanon in 1982 and may have developed another to Iraq more recently Or it's head strong creation- Lebanese Hezbollah -may have dispatched it's own contingent. Either way, jihadist Arabs would emulate their tactics.

Of Course, al-Qaeda is also present in both Iraq and Afghanistan.From it's Sunni heritage and Soviet exposure, it has acquired a slightly different tactical heritage.

That heritage now encompasses the Chechen experience.

 

While Islamic Jihad took the credit it was Iranian Revolutionary Guards who planned the Marine barracks bombing of 23 October 1983 in Beirut Lebanon.

The trucks 20 year old driver was after all Iranian and a member of that country's

"Party of God"

It was also Iranian Revolutionary Guards who trained Lebanese Hezbollah. When that

creation kicked the "high tech" Israel army out of Southern Lebanon in 2000,

the world took notice.

One of Sepah's original missions was the export of Islamic revolution.

It's agents have since assinated several of Tehran's opponents abroad.

That has now ceased to chase Khomenini's dream of a bloc of Islamic States is doubtful. As an autonomous organization, it may have continued to do so without the total permission of the Tehran government. Sepah now work more for "Supreme Leader"

Ayatollah Khamenei than for Iranian President Khatami.

It has endeavored to spread the Iranian Revolution abroad.

 

The Revolutionary Guard retains it's extensive covert network abroad

In 1987 the FBI announced that members of the Guard had entered the United States

as students "Iran Guards in US..., New York Times, 9 March 1989"

The Guard now give greater support to Shia rebels in Iraq as well as.. Algeria, Tunisia, Jordan, Egypt, the former U.S.S.R., Afghanistan and the West Bank of Gaza

...It is already establishing a significant presence (1000-2000 Guards) in Sudan,

setting up camps to train the Sudanese army and "Islamic fundamentalist militants from other countries" ("Iran Shifting its Attention...,New York Times 13 December 1991 A7"). In late 1991 interview Guard Commander Reza'i said....

"If there is unity between Iran Pakistan, and Afghanistan, this will strengthen Muslim

solidarity and enable the peoples of Soviet Central Asia and Kashmir to join in

("JDW Interview", Jane's Defense Weekly, 16 November 1991,980)."

 

Sepah is more than just a military, police and counterespionage force.

It is also the very center of the Iranian life.

 

A Summary of Iranian Revolutionary Guard Tactics

 

At first, the Guard attempted a "peoples war" against the Iraqis. While the concept

was successfully applied by German Volksgrenader battalions at the Bulge and Berlin,

it's roots are with Mao Tse-Tung. Like the Chinese People's Liberation Army

(PLA), the Guard didn't adopt military ranks until 1990. Early in the war with Iraq, the Sepah sent Baseej volunteers on numerous human wave assaults- with little or no fire support from the regular army. As the Chinese in Korea, the Guard may have discovered how to facilitate rearward infiltration by feigning frontal assault.

It may have also avoided preparatory fire to keep from telegraphing intentions.

As the war progressed, the Guard's tactics improved "Surprise and infiltration helped to push the Iraqis across the border". By 1987, the Islamic leadership had publicly opted for surprise over human waves. They had also embraced the Communist guerrilla policy of not fighting unless victory was virtually assured. Still the Guard had tried to clear Iraqi mine field with a few "martyr-bent" Baseej. So it's cultural

predisposition toward tiny highly risky forays may have survived.

 

Iranian Guards is a army. That puts it in the same category with the Chinese PLA and Soviet Red Army. Most Eastern armies have been forced by their lack of wherewithal to tactically evolve more quickly than US forces. Despite an early fling with antiquated tactics, the Sepah has the same chance.

Chinese "mobile" warfare grew out of, and easily transitioned back into, guerrilla warfare. There is no telling how much the Iranian Guard may have learned from it's victory over the Israelis in Lebanon. To make matters worse, a rare Guard psychological warfare publication contains repeated references to Sun Tzu and the Viet Cong.

With little historical research and field experimentation, battle seasoned Guard instructors could easily discover the state of the art for small-unit infantry tactics.

 

The Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps and it's commanders, free from over-centralized control and unaffected by traditional military staff college training - manifested much innovatiion and ingenuity in the midst of battle.

 

Of note, the Iranian Guard was the recruiter/trainer of espionage agents as well as front line soldiers. As such it may have developed some fairly sophisticated short-range infiltration techniques....

 

 

Sepah differs from Chinese and Soviet armies in that it plays a greater role in the internal security of the nation, the collection of human intelligence, and the export of revolution. In China and the Soviet Union, other organizations perform those functions. The Gurads are experts at psychological warfare. Their methods are as follows:

 

(1) deception [e.g., misinformation]

(2) stupefying [e.g., pushing the material over the spiritual]

(3) inciting [e.g., encouraging hatred]

(4) alluring [e.g.,using incentives]

(5) enlightenment [e.g.,highlighting enemy deficiencies]

(6) creating fear [e.g., exaggerating danger] and

(7) indirect induction [e.g.,talking in a round about way]

 

Their economic objective is to increase the gap between societal expectations and an unstable economy. There military objective is to further distrust undermine discipline discourage political/ideological awareness, and fan discrimination in the opposing force. There political objectives are to exacerbate the instability, insecurity and lack of supervision of a central government. There social objectives are to create negative attitudes, preferential treatment , and ideological religious expediency.

[Metric-man]

The US in being cased , and is under constant attack and you guys should wake up and look around,

if you haven't already sensed anything different about the people around you yet, please think again,

It is way too easy to get into this country especial if you have money or you are in exile and your country is at war.

[Metric-man]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/11/national/main20031470.shtml

 

From 2003 through 2006, the U.S. resettled about 700 Iraqi refugees, with more than half arriving in Michigan, Arizona, Texas, California and Illinois, according to State Department figures. The pace rose sharply beginning in 2007, and more than 58,000 Iraqi refugees have arrived in the U.S. since the start of the war.

[joey_crandall]

http://teapartynewswatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hand-gun.jpg

 

It's funny where that picture comes from.

 

no gun control means using both hands.