willmoodom Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) I've been looking into getting me something a little more comfortable to cruise in with tuner compatibility. my choices are e34 5er and ls1 swap OR 2nd gen gs300 with 2jzgte swap. each car is pretty durable and known for good handling. each has a decent following in the tuner crowd. both the car and the selected power plant. what do you guys think? though this car will have the power to run with most anything on the street, it's primary use is to cruise. maybe a burst here and there. both engines are known to be stought in stock form. my choice for ls1 is the gen 3 6.0l out of the trucks. those blocks are iron and the 6.0l in particular comes low compression stock. stage set for a turbo. though of course I would rebuild it. mated to that would be a 4l80e good to 600 in stock form or for a few more dollars, a 4l85e. management would probably be hptuner or roadrunner. with the 2jzgte, they are proven as well, in the US they come in the TT Supras. Self explanatory. unfortunately trying to buy one of them is almost impossible. However, a little tidbit I learned is in Japan the gs300 known there as the Toyota Aristo comes fitted with that same supra engine. How fair is that. Here we get the N/A model and they get the TT! Another plus is the Aristo TT models only came with automatics. the N/a trannies here are good for 400 stock and with a VBody/TConverter combination another 100 or so? not verified yet. the autos on the TT Aristos handles upwards of 800 and change. there are 2 differences between the Us and jdm 2jzgte. in order to use the jdm engine, I have to swap the cams with the Supras and the injectors. jdm uses 440 and the usdm uses 550's. Different impedances. other than that, I'm good. going rate on everything needed to run in the gs is $1500 to $2000! Engine comes complete including turbos, wiring, tranny, everything. Even the ecu which I dont believe can be used here. As for management, anything the Supras use. Piggybacks seem to work beautifully on these cars. That way, I can keep the trac, stability and all that stuff. my goal for power is 4-450. nothing extreme. A lot of enhancements and wheels selections for both cars. both have a VIP following out there in the asian countries, which is good for choosing a nice wheel fitment setup. so, what you guys thinking? I like that 4door supra idea but a ls1 v8 under the hood w/ a turbo would be ridiculous. but that 2jz power for power would net me better gas mileage than the ls1. decisions decisions. http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh154/willmoodom/yellow1.jpg http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh154/willmoodom/aristo2by4.jpg Edited May 30, 2009 by willmoodom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 quite a few reads but no one with an opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on4now4 Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Get this one http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/nissan/gtr_4.jpg but if it has to be 4 door whats wrong with the evo http://evodyno.com/evo10.jpg Edited May 30, 2009 by on4now4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86TSiGuy Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 As much as I love the Skyline it isn't a sedan... What's the budget? And how much work versus buy and bolt do you want to do? You can build a stroked chrysler 2.5l and put an a maserati 16V head on it. You can get easily 4-600hp out of that without getting too fancy and it fit's in such un assuming cars as a K-Body, H-Body, or something really light like a shadow. Or are we strictly RWD/AWD here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusion972 Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Skyline is a sedan as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86TSiGuy Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Apparently they do, thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarionPAP Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I like the GS300. Easier to get power, easier to get parts, better milleage, and known Toyota reliability (unless you boost the hell out of it!). Check this out on you Tube : SC's Gone wild (I know the SC is the Coupe model, but same engine used!) StarionPAP Haiti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Find an Evo8, Evo9, or a WRX/STi or... http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/feelsFD2/sMG_2775.jpg a 2007+ Honda Civic SI sedan - they have pretty good power for a 4banger - ~200whp, 30mpg, LSD, with lots of bells and whistles, and unfathomable reliability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazilBoy Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I had an EVO8 it was the best car I ever owned hands down...So much potential and AWD fun in any weather and bloody hell fast in a bend or a straight.....I miss my EVO on the daily...plus it can outhandle a Lambo and just about anything else for that matter... http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/79-mitsubishi-evo-8.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I had an EVO8 it was the best car I ever owned hands down...So much potential and AWD fun in any weather and bloody hell fast in a bend or a straight.....I miss my EVO on the daily...plus it can outhandle a Lambo and just about anything else for that matter... http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/79-mitsubishi-evo-8.jpg That EVO is an MR FQ400 or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazilBoy Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 That EVO is an MR FQ400 or something like that You are correct, but to get 400hp out of an evo is fairly easy..The awd system is able to handle quite a bit of power..I had a friend with an evo 9 with 450hp on stock drivetrain except for an ACT 6 puck..that car was scarey fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Get this one http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/nissan/gtr_4.jpg but if it has to be 4 door whats wrong with the evo http://evodyno.com/evo10.jpg as much as I like the evo, it's not what I would call a sedan. it's a compact which happens to have 4 doors. It's also not known for being comfortable for those long drives or cruises. I got the quest, I am building a tyclone from the ground up. so something less aggressive is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazilBoy Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 How about a 1998 E320 AMG would be nice..and quick too http://www.geocities.com/mymercedesbenze320/images/DSC07456.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 As much as I love the Skyline it isn't a sedan... What's the budget? And how much work versus buy and bolt do you want to do? You can build a stroked chrysler 2.5l and put an a maserati 16V head on it. You can get easily 4-600hp out of that without getting too fancy and it fit's in such un assuming cars as a K-Body, H-Body, or something really light like a shadow. Or are we strictly RWD/AWD here? I know all about those chryslers. use to have a t2 shelby before I got into the quest. but again, those are compact. If I had the extra money, I would buy a srt8 300. that's the size and type of car I'm after. though the 5er would require a bit more work for a fit and finished look, the gs300 would be a substantially easier setup. I wont say money is no object. becuase it is. I've done a ton of research on both cars to make the project as inexpensive and straight forward as possible. all fab and install done by me except for exhaust. that I will have to foot the bill for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 How about a 1998 E320 AMG would be nice..and quick too http://www.geocities.com/mymercedesbenze320/images/DSC07456.JPG them things are not cheap to buy or keep running. they are nice and quick though. but I need something that is inexpensive and easy to repair. not just the engine side of things but overall car aswell. beemers are cheap on parts, but the older models like the e34's are quite affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazilBoy Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 them things are not cheap to buy or keep running. they are nice and quick though. but I need something that is inexpensive and easy to repair. not just the engine side of things but overall car aswell. beemers are cheap on parts, but the older models like the e34's are quite affordable. I was a mercedes tech for a while and they are very reliable. Just keep them stock and they go forever. Plus build quality is above any other maker by far... Just get one with maintence records, heres one for 8k http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Excellent-1...A1%7C240%3A1308 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 It seems that everyone here is biased. question? would you choose to pack your family up in a evo or sti for a long trip. and don't get caught in traffic- with a clutch. I assume everyone here would prefer something bigger, more relaxing to drive. I actually have a four door impreza-not sti. and believe me, a 30 mile trip or an hour on the road and it seems like longer when you finally get out and stand up. just because I may want a bigger car, doesn't mean the car has to be anemic on the power band. which leads me back to the srt8 300 and the similar. I like them but for $25000 used, I could build up either one of these cars,gs/5er, for thousands less including the purchase of the car. the good thing is these are not what you would call limited cars. both had production runs of 5 years or more. so standard parts are abundant. also, both cars had v8 packages as well. stronger bits are interchangeable. for my fun factor enjoyment, thats what the quest is for. and soon the tyclone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I was a mercedes tech for a while and they are very reliable. Just keep them stock and they go forever. Plus build quality is above any other maker by far... Just get one with maintence records, heres one for 8k http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Excellent-1...A1%7C240%3A1308 I know they are reliable as hell if not played with. But I want to play!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86TSiGuy Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 What about an Audi S8 or the smaller S4? Or possibly a Saab but they are on the small side. I would go for gs300 over the SRT8 if it were me personally. A little more initial cost but then again that's the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 so many times I have been on the road and idiots will speed up, cut you off and then slow down. all because they have a faster vehicle. there joy riding and site seeing. most times I got some where to go and be, but now I got to site see with them until a lane opens up. who has experienced a bumper to bumper traffic situation where the car with the quickest 1-2 step gets clearing top move forward? I live in Rockville, Md. and rush hour is ridiculous. I work in Silver Spring, Md. and though my morning commute is bad, my afternoon commute is almost homicidal. Some days I don't mine the shifter but there are more days this year that I just want to put it in drive and go. If I see an opening, punch the gas and let that 400+ hp get me there before it closes. So in retrospect, stuck in crazy traffic, would you prefer the automatic ls1 5er, automatic 4dr supra, or the 6sp evo/sti? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazilBoy Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 EVO all the way..you punch and your there before you reliaze you left...I went Vegas in mine from Denver thats about 800 miles...Family and I were comfortable all the way..lots of leg room...lots of thumbs up all the way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 What about an Audi S8 or the smaller S4? Or possibly a Saab but they are on the small side. I would go for gs300 over the SRT8 if it were me personally. A little more initial cost but then again that's the debate. s8 expensive parts and tuning. s4 tad bit small. also I dont believe there was a s8 in us until last couple years. correct me if I'm wrong. Remember, I'm talking used cars, not new. so initial cost of both the 5er and gs300 together would still be $1000's cheaper than a used srt8 300. 94'-97 e34 540i are $3-5 grand for mid level condition. Ofcourse I seen them cheaper(dogged out low level) and more expensive ( enthusiast owned high level). 96'-03 gs300 are going in the range of $5500-$8500 for mid level. thats the second gen gs. to make things cheaper, I could go with the 1st gen gs300. I am seeing them as low as 2500 and there are some of these already swapped and tuned being sold for $10 grand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolyrgr Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 http://www.msprotege.com/members/buit9110/exterior%20ms6.JPG MazdaSpeed 6 anyone? JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 EVO all the way..you punch and your there before you reliaze you left...I went Vegas in mine from Denver thats about 800 miles...Family and I were comfortable all the way..lots of leg room...lots of thumbs up all the way.. I am 6'4". Not much leg room in back for other people not to mention trunk space. most people have some form of boom installed. with that, hard pressed for room to hold a full size suit case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmoodom Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 (edited) http://www.msprotege.com/members/buit9110/exterior%20ms6.JPG MazdaSpeed 6 anyone? JR Those things are sweet. but tranny and cost are still an issue. either model of car I chose to go with, 5er or gs3, I could setup with a 5 or 6 sp tranny. But I am doing an automatic install instead. that is the primary reason these manumatic trannies are popular with people because there are times you want to burn something and sometimes you want to chill. my car will be able to do both, but primarily chill atmosphere. Edited May 31, 2009 by willmoodom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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