WHAT IT TAKES MAKING 350HP, to our 2 babes starion/conquest.

[bad2theBone]

i have 2 conquest and my nephew has one conquest, so we are family of 3 conquest, he is gonna try to get 280hp but for my self i'm willing to go all the way for 350hp.

 

question:

 

what it takes to make 350hp, with magna mpi multi and magna 2 gen. soon will get a set?

 

Should I go T3T4 turbo will give 350hp, with mpi multi and head 2 gen magna with megasquirt?

 

What should I use for the 2nd gen Magna Head, to gain 350hp?

 

Should I go MONSTER TIM_C CAM OR Screamin Banshee TIM_C CAM. What should be the best combo CAM for the 350hp Project?

 

Lots of people is talking about Pistons whats the deal with it, i have an spare good engine 89 turbo 2.6 liter engine starion, to make sure the engine is good before i buy it, i turn the bottom crankshaft and it does turn all the way around, so i guess is good, and got it for 150bucks, complete engine except turbo and injectors, plus fenders, radiator with fans, front piece as well.

 

Last question for this engine that i'm thinking in using it first instead the one that is in my conquest 88, this 89 conquest engine:

 

What Pistons should I use, i read lots of people is talking about lately Wisecos, JE, ROSS, and even Mitsubishi Piston, Professor_Quest were saying i believe on the section of Piston i guess he says:

Boring any larger than necessary to get a clean cylinder wall is a waste of cylinder wall. Even if you punched it .090 over......you'd never feel the increase in performance. Your best bet is the ones from Summit in a .020 oversize at $374.

so You all guys agree with the Professor_quest at some point he is right,

but i have a friend who was driving his starion 88 and he was using stock size pistons i guess they are .20 over with 8:1 compression not sure about that or is 7:1 compression, anyways he was making 18 to 21psi of boost, so he blow something on the engine, head gasket i think and when he open the engine it was black on top of the piston like burn or something may be it was too much boost and compression might be 8:1 ratio, so at that boost making like 18 to 21psi boost he blow the pistons rings, and block, so don't know his car condition at this moment, and i don't want to experience that saying that don't sounds good, a big boomm, so what should be done for building a strong engine to hold up 350hp, cut or grind crankshaft, should i cut the cylinder wall .20 over, .30 over , or .40 over, any good ideas?

 

AM I going to be ok or SAFE using .20 over Wisecos PISTONS, with 8:1 compression or the 7:1 compression ratio?

 

WAY A MINUTE WHAT's 7:1 Compression ratio and 8:1 compression ratio, for the Pistons, its running more than 16psi of boost up to 30psi of boost is better going with 7:1 compression ratio because of high boost, and for the 8:1 compression ratio is better and SAFE running no more than 15PSI of BOOST?

 

Sorry for all this questions but i guess we are all here to learn, at least learn something about our cars, specially my self, and hopefully help someone else too with my the experience that i'm going to get in building my car?

 

2 1988 conquest and 1 1989 conquest,

3 conquest runnning on the family,

 

god bless america !

[Mingo1]

I am running a stock block and put out 349hp and 412ftlbtrq. Car actually put out 361hp but the clutch was slipping. Go to engine and performance mods and scroll down to the write onmy car that Phinko did. I say do a real good search on cams find out any negative feedback if any and then go from there.

[bad2theBone]

Mingo1 u are running stock pistons, and stock bore never cut it .30 over, .40over, .50 over, or .60 over, u never did anything like that, but what turbo u are using, what size T3, T3T4, T4, t4b, t4e, t4a, t4c, man lots of turbos outhere getting dizzy in here, how much boost are u running 20 psi of boost, what type of Cam u are using, and whats your set up combo for your head, 83 valves, stock valves and with stock jet system, or non jet valve with stainless steel valves, anything similar.

 

if thats the case that u are running almost 350hp, with stock block so in what in hell we all want to do .30 over , .40 over or something like, might be ok running stock block, stock piston size, n stock bore, for only 350hp, no more than that, is that right.

[jr_ss]

The reason you overbore an engine is to remove any flaws in the cylinder.. It's not to increase power. Most aftermarket pistons are overbore because you have to bore and hone to round the cylinders again anyways... Going 40 or even 60 does not give you any realy gains...

[Kr0nus]

The reason you overbore an engine is to remove any flaws in the cylinder.. It's not to increase power. Most aftermarket pistons are overbore because you have to bore and hone to round the cylinders again anyways... Going 40 or even 60 does not give you any realy gains...

 

Doesn't it make the combustion chamber larger which would give you a bigger explosion? But yeah I think you are right in saying that you would see a bigger increase just from pistons.

 

Porn* I think you need to look more into mulitport. Pistons are important, but MPI is the key for big number with these engines.

[shift1313]

well the biggest difference isnt really the bore. it does change your cc volume but you need to look at the piston pin height also the dome/dish and the deck height etc. if you changed nothing else and you bored over using the exact same pistons(obviously changing diameter) you would get a larger combustion chamber volume which would give you lower compression ratio giving you less power. if you look at it like you have a larger volume then you would actually get a weaker explosion unless you added more fuel to make the af ratio better.

 

also porn* just do a search because this has been gone over a million times. Every car is different and nobody will be able to give you a laundry list of parts to equal 350hp. every mod has another that compliments it. You can do an exhaust but without flowing more air through the intake then you are still restricted. and you can make a better intake to flow more air then your head is the restriction and so on. I say start small with the exhaust and a turbo and see if you are happy, then work on the fuel system .

good luck

[bad2theBone]

with the EIP tuning making 500hp and running 10.6 or10.4 seconds on the 1/4 mile, yes but they went out Multiport and they use i think T4E turbo, and the TEC3 management system, with 95lbs injectors, and pistons don't know about it, they might use bigger pistons and bore out the block to .40 over may be, and i'm sure something different, but stock head set up like the cam, springs, jet valve, i remember that car makes 500hp, so if they use the stock set up head and also the block, dont know??? why the car didn't blow out on the first races, unless is running no more than 15psi of boost, but it can't be i have still remember that car is making 500HP, and running at 10.6 or 10.4 seconds at the 1/4 miles, thats some serious power there, to be using the stock set up head and block no way Jose.

 

so i can still use the .20 over pistons may be from wiseco pistons .20 over, but what type of compression should i take whats the deal with compression, 7:1 or 8:1 are those are way too different set up, is the 8:1 compression ration good and perfect for no more than 15 psi of boost, and the 7:1 compression ratio are good for more than 16 psi of boost up to 30 psi of boost, is that right if not some step up and correct me.

 

using .20 over wiseco pistons should be fine running for 350hp or near there passing 300hp at least, and what type of CAMSHAFT is the best COMBO for this MONSTER OR SCREAMIN BANSHEE, by TIM_C ,

Mechanical or hydraulic, what systems is best combo for 350hp or near there at least i expect my starion pass 300hp, with T3T4 and magna head 2nd gen and magna intake multi.

[Mingo1]

My block is stock except for the slopendperformance cam. No porting No polishing on the head. Running a Precision Turbo sc63, custom mpi, well just look at my sig.

[shift1313]

your choice of cr is very important to how you want to setup your motor. If you run a lower cr then you can run higher boost safer but you will have less power off boost. If you run a higher cr you will have a better chance of spark knock or predetonation problems and you will have to run higher octane fuel and a very good ignition system. Most people run between 7:1 and 8:1. The wiseco pistons 18cc dish is about 7:1, 8cc dish is about 8:1 and flat tops are about 9:1 assuming you keep the comp height 1.39. if you change that then its a new ball game. getting 350hp is easy, go get a 150shot of nitrous and call it a day. You could also easily obtain your goal by just a turbo and cranking the boost but you wont have very usable power and you will lean out your motor and blow it up.

 

Maybe its just me but I have a hard time following your posts. Take the time and read through alot of posts. go into the mpi forum and look at dyno charts. Everyone who has posted a dyno sheet has more then likely outlined exactly what they have done. If you want some real help picking parts to build your car you need to say exactly what you want to do with your car, ie street car, daily driver, auto x, drag strip. Because power isnt just power, you need usable power for each application. Also you need to let us know how much money you plan on spending and what kind of mechanical abilities you have. Most of the people on here with modified cars have alot of one off or custom parts on their cars, usually made at home. If you have the ability to do that it will help out in the long run. No offense to you but from your line of questioning im going to say you dont have those capabilites at home which is fine but it will limit you in the things you can do with your car unfortunately unless you have the money to pay someone else to do it.

 

 

From the line of questions your asking id say you should go with 8:1 pistons, steel head gasket, arp head studs, rods and mains as well, magna intake, some sort of stand alone FI system, non jet valve head, exhaust manifold with t3/t4 turbo, 2.5"-3" exhaust with high flow cats if you need them in your area, and a nice boost controller. You will start to run into problems with your setup if you start cranking on the boost with your stock ignition system. Or atleast you might have problems so i would reccomend going with a distributorless ignition so you have full control of your timing. I cant tell you if this will give you 350hp or not but i can say that you will have a tuneable car with the potential of some nice usable power.

[bad2theBone]

no way for real, oh ok them did u upgrade your turbo, i'm having a Multiport Magna MPI system from Australia modify by CHAD, and how much did u pay for your TEC3 management system, i mean how much total, its that ok if i get the megasquirt instead of TEC3, OR the TEC3 is lot better, are u running with the stock radiator fans, what type of multiport system u are using hurricane, eiptuning, magna, and what type of fuel injectors size u are using 72lbs(750cc) fuel injectors, u are using 70mm t-body ford mustang 4.6 liter, the head that u are running is jet valve you just change the camshaft, what size u are running that camshaft, and u are running 3 inch downpipe, do u have eliminator balance shaft kit, man u car sounds good,

 

its that right that we can still run stock block and pistons and bore, and stock head except change the camshaft and thats all, upgrading MPI multiport system, turbo upgrade, exhaust upgrade 3inch, flywheel findanza, ACT clutch stage 3, and putting 70mm, but tell me what multiport system u are using , EIP, MAGNA, HURRICANE, or you build your own MULTIPORT SYSTEM.

 

 

so what you other guys says, is that so, its ok running up to that point, u guys think it wont be no problems at all, running like that specially as daily drive, sounds like whe u go to church , n you see a cripple person and after few songs that cripple person gets the holy spirit n it gets cure starts walking normal again, it sounds like miracle ,

god bless america

 

n guys whats your opinion about mingo1, i think he is pretty much very honest about his set up that he is running almost 350hp, it sounds real good testimonial. good job MINGO1

[shift1313]

what

[Vanishing Point]

I thought What was on second. :wink:

 

Whos on first. :?

[bad2theBone]

sorry guys, lost control, i'm enthusiast about in building my project 350hp on my conquest, i will probably do the .20 over wiseco, but what compression ratio should i use for 18 or 20 psi of boost, i'm will probably get the t3t4 turbo, n i will make an order for Magna multi port Intake and Magna 2nd gen Head, for my 350hp project.

 

Mingo1 tell me about it, u think that the TEC3 should do the work best than the Megasquirt, is there anyone who has done both TEC3 and Megasquirt, Which one you guys prefer as better performance and better tuning management system.

 

I'm sure Megasquirt is lot cheaper than TEC3.

[Boosted_One]

sorry guys, lost control, i'm enthusiast about in building my project 350hp on my conquest, i will probably do the .20 over wiseco, but what compression ratio should i use for 18 or 20 psi of boost, i'm will probably get the t3t4 turbo, n i will make an order for Magna multi port Intake and Magna 2nd gen Head, for my 350hp project.

 

Mingo1 tell me about it, u think that the TEC3 should do the work best than the Megasquirt, is there anyone who has done both TEC3 and Megasquirt, Which one you guys prefer as better performance and better tuning management system.

 

I'm sure Megasquirt is lot cheaper than TEC3.

 

There's SDS too...very effective...

 

www.sdsefi.com

[FuelinjectionPro]

Some basic things:

(1) Good bottom end, main thing is that it is put together correctly, forged pistons are good-- 7:1 to 8:1.

(2) Non-jet valve head with a mild cam and good springs.

(3) T4 turbo, we like 60-1 or larger as the G54B will need 20-28 pounds of boost for the 350-400hp range.

(4) MPI system, of course I will say a HURRICANE-4, but good results have been seen with a magna and our fuel control system also.

(5) Good ignition system, distrubutor is fine when used with a MSD and better yet with the IgnitionPro1.

Good example Yokomosquest with a magna and our FC-PRO-4M fuel controller and IgnitionPro1 made over 400HP with 60-1.

ED

[Mingo1]

You really don't need that big of turbo to run 350hp. But it doesn't hurt to run a bigger turbo and you don't need to boost it as hard as the smaller one. I ran 25psi on my Precision Turbo sc-63 and hit 349 and at 27psi hit 361. On a STOCK long block. The forged stuff is for more insurance but I run my car everyday to work, cruising, a race or two, and it hasn't skipped a beat. What you are asking can be run on a stock block. But of course like was mentioned earlier a good running stock long block. I put a new head and rebuilt shortblock on mine. I don't run the fuelinjectionpro stuff and have nothing against them or any other system. But mine is a custom intake made through the shop of www.racingmazda.com and I run an Electromotive Tec3 system. Your budget and preference will determine what you run.

[yokomo]

yeah me----> buku HP!

another dyno run in Nov, w/ Copper gasket, 2nd gen ported magna, HyaBoosta cam, T-88 .75/.84 turbo.

 

HP?? i don't care really, as long as it explodes in a firey demise! hooraY!

 

i love a good explosion!

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[Mingo1]

I am just like you YokomosQuest I want major hp. This is just my stock setup but eventually will end up with big turbo and built engine. I just wanted to see what this engine was really capable of in stock form since many people have no faith in it. I had people telling me this engine wasn't going to make anything over 225hp no matter what I did.

[lionbull]

The past info about this motor was with a TBI set up. This is a whole new ball game. The 2.6 is more than capable. That is a boosted truck motor, forged steel crank and all not to mention easy and relative inexpensive to put together. guys with good stock motors have it good because everything is within spec.Many rebuilt motors with their reground cranks etc will not stand up to the abuse.

[Mingo1]

doesnt matter there still people with no faith in this motor tbi or mpi. And I am interested to see how that T88 is going to spool up.

[yokomo]

The past info about this motor was with a TBI set up. This is a whole new ball game. The 2.6 is more than capable. That is a boosted truck motor, forged steel crank and all not to mention easy and relative inexpensive to put together. guys with good stock motors have it good because everything is within spec.Many rebuilt motors with their reground cranks etc will not stand up to the abuse.

 

can i get some of that cRaCk! your smoking!

 

so are you saying there is more off the shelf parts for a starion than say an Eclipse?

 

that is the only problem with the car! everything is "ONE OFF", pistons have to be made custom, as just about any other car there are of the shelf, thats my example, pistons.

 

but to regress, latley i have been seeing more stuff "OFF THE SHELF", but limited to cars with the STOCK systems, i.e TBI :evil:

 

i know you don't want to hear this, most of you, BUT MPI is the only way your every going to make anything of this engine, and i know thats been said a million bizzillion times! just to regress!! :twisted:

[lionbull]

I will sell you some of that crack. Its the good shi tt. What part of what i said has to do with Off the shelf/eclipse. What i said was and I quote"easy and relative inexpensive to put together. I am talking about the 2.6 motor plus I never hinted that it was easy to get after market parts for a quest. BUT I did hint no I did say that the motor is relatively easy and inexpensive to put together. How much easier is it to put together a motor for a quest as compared to a 2j or an 4g63. I was more or less giving props to guys with the stock block and such. all the info in my post had to do with a quest. BTW i dont hint. There is nothing deep in what i am saying or what i previously said so dont look so deep. We are talking about cars guys why would i hint. Congrats on your 400 hp what are you doingin the 1/4 mile now?

[bad2theBone]

so guys i should do fine using wiseco forged pistons .20 over with 7:1 compession for the 350 hp project, of course i will use the t3t4 turbo upgrade and soon will get the 2nd gen magna head and the magna multiport intake with 72lbs injectors, and 65mm t-body,but what management system should i use for my MPI, whats the best deal out there, good price for the buck $$ and good easy and fast management system, the TEC3 is real good but people says too expensive and difficult to management the system, some other people says get the MEGASQUIRT cheap not that expensive and not that difficult to management your system, people says i can do it my self and i get to learn more about my car system, so which one is the best or there is any other program management cheaper than Megasquirt.

[yokomo]

11.3, cant run anymore w/out a cage. :evil:

[bad2theBone]

tim c suggest me to use the screamin banshee for the project 350hp, with the t3t4turbo upgrade with magna 2nd Gen Head and the Magna Multiport MPI Intake from Australia. i would like to know how it feels running the Screamin Banshee, what u guys think?? sounds good to me,