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im thinkin about buyin a set of nology hot wires   i went on there sight and they have a listing for our cars    im usin a tec2 with coil packs   but i use the same plug wire set still.  but are these safe to use? i was just wondering if i should get them   any opinions?
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You should look into Magnecore wires and check out their website, lots of good info. In my opinion, Magnecore are the best. I have them on mine and love them, I tried Accel, Fram, Bosch, MSD, NGK and the Magnecores feel the best. Nology is BS and a waste of money.Plus the Magnecore is less expensive.
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they're a gimmick.

 

you aren't going to get any more spark than your ignition coil/coils can handle. from there you go up or down by changing the heat range of the plug. the wire is just trasnfering that energy.

 

don't get me wrong, it's important to have a good plug wire set, but they aren't going to "amplify" or enhance your spark. just deliver it from point a to point b

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I don't understand how these kinds of wires are supposed to give you a "better spark" or whatever that is.  As far as I know, the spark plug wire is just a piece of conductor material that's supposed to carry electricity, so I'm failing to understand where it suddenly is supposed to "add" power.  Unless the higher end wires use some sort of really special conductor material that conducts really well, and that I can understand, but it's not going to "add" any spark.  I was under the assumption that in order to get a performance gain from the spark system that you'd have to upgrade all the components (plugs, wires, coil, etc), so that there isn't a weak link in the system.

 

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm trying to learn.  :)

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So having GOOD NGK standard gap it at .40 or 44 or 45 to be exact, and for BEST WIRES, It will have to be the MAGNECORES wires, how much is for the COMPLETE SET? how much it cost for our starion and conquest?

 

who sells MAGNECORE WIRES > DISCOUNT AUTO PARTS, AUTOZONE, NAPA, PEPBOYS, SEARS, OH REALLY, WHICH ONE SELLS THOSE MAGNECORE WIRES FOR OUR CAR STARIONS OR CONQUEST.?

Anyone knows where i can purchase and how much it cost.

 

those wires magnecores could it be good for 350HP to 450HP?

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there wass a good discussion on that here :

 

http://forums.*DMperformance.com/viewtopic...47eb075f14e65f2

 

 

I don't buy into LOW RESISTENCE...it's marketing hype...

 

That's why I run Magnecor...

 

 

http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/truth.htm

 

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"LOW-RESISTANCE" SPIRAL WIRES

 

By far the most popular conductor used in ignition wires destined for race and performance street engines are spiral conductors (a.k.a. mag, pro, super, spiral, monel, heli, energy, ferro, twin core etc.). Spiral conductors are constructed by winding fine wire around a core. Almost all manufacturers use constructions which reduce production costs in an endeavor to offer ignition component marketers and mass-merchandisers cheaper prices than those of their competitors.

 

In the USA in particular, most marketers of performance parts selling their products through mass-merchandisers and speed shops include a variety of very effective high-output ignition systems together with a branded not-so-effective ignition wire line using a spiral conductor. Most perpetually try to out-do their competitors by offering spiral conductor ignition wires with the lowest electrical resistance. Some publish results which show their wires are superior to a competitor's wires which use identical cable (on which another brand name is printed). The published "low" resistance (per foot) is measured with a test ohmmeter's 1 volt direct current (DC) passing through the entire length of the fine wire used for the spiral conductor.

 

"Low-resistance" conductors are an easy sell, as most people associate all ignition wire conductors with original equipment and replacement ignition wire carbon conductors (which progressively fail as a result of microscopic carbon granules burning away and thus reducing the spark energy to the spark plugs) and with solid wire zero-resistance conductors that were used by racers with no need for suppression. Consumers are easily led into believing that if a spiral conductor's resistance is almost zero, its performance must be similar to that of a solid metal conductor all race cars once used. HOWEVER, NOTHING IS FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!

 

What is not generally understood (or is ignored) is that as a result of the laws of electricity, the potential 45,000 plus volts (with alternating current characteristics) from the ignition coil (a pulse type transformer) does not flow through the entire the length of fine wire used for a spiral conductor like the 1 volt DC voltage from a test ohmmeter, but flows in a magnetic field surrounding the outermost surface of the spiral windings (skin effect). The same skin effect applies equally to the same pulsating flow of current passing through carbon and solid metal conductors.

 

A spiral conductor with a low electrical resistance measured by an ohmmeter indicates, in reality, nothing other than less of the expensive fine wire is used for the conductor windings — a construction which cannot achieve a clean and efficient current flow through the magnetic field surrounding the windings, resulting in poor suppression for RFI and EMI.

 

Of course, ignition wire manufacturers save a considerable amount in manufacturing costs by using less fine wire, less exotic winding machinery and less expertise to make low-resistance spiral conductors. As an incentive, they find a lucrative market amongst performance parts marketers who advertise their branded ignition wires as having "low-resistance" conductors, despite the fact that such "low-resistance" contributes nothing to make spiral ignition wires perform better, and RFI and EMI suppression is compromised.

 

In recent years, most ignition wire manufacturers, to temporarily improve their spiral conductor's suppression, have resorted to coating excessively spaced spiral windings, most of which are crudely wound around strands of fiberglass or Kevlar, with a heavy layer of high-resistance carbon impregnated conductive latex or silicone compound. This type of construction hides the conductive coating's high resistance when the overall conductor is measured with a test ohmmeter, which only measures the lower resistance of the sparse spirally wound wire (the path of least resistance) under the conductive coating and ignores the high resistance of the outermost conductive coating in which the spark energy actually travels. The conductive coating is rarely shown or mentioned in advertisement illustrations.

 

The suppression achieved by this practice of coating the windings is only temporary, as the spark current is forced to travel through the outermost high-resistance conductive coating in the same manner the spark current travels through the outermost high-resistance conductive coating of a carbon conductor used in most original equipment and stock replacement wires.

 

In effect, (when new) a coated "low-resistance" spiral conductor's true performance is identical to that of a high-resistance carbon conductor.

 

Unfortunately, and particularly with the use of high-output ignitions, the outermost high-resistance conductive coating over spiral windings acting as the conductor will fail from burn out in the same manner as carbon conductors, and although in most cases, the spiral conductor will not cease to conduct like a high-resistance carbon conductor, any RFI or EMI suppression will be lost as a consequence of the coating burning out. The worst interference will come from the so-called "super conductors" that are wound with copper (alloy) wire.

 

However, despite the shortcomings of "low-resistance" spiral conductor ignition wires, these wires work satisfactorily on older production vehicles and race vehicles that do not rely on electronic engine management systems, or use on-board electronics effected by EMI — although with the lowest-resistance conductor wires, don't expect much RFI suppression on the AM band in poor reception areas.

 

Some European and Japanese original equipment and replacement ignition wires including Bougicord and NGK do have spiral conductors that provide good suppression — usually none of these wires are promoted as having low- resistance conductors — however, none are ideal for competition use, as their conductors and pin-type terminations are fragile and are known to rarely last as long as good carbon conductor ignition wires.

 

To be effective in carrying the full output from the ignition system and suppressing RFI and EMI in particular, spiral conductors need windings that are microscopically close to one another and precisely spaced and free from conductive coatings. To be more effective, the windings need to be wound over a core of magnetic material — a method too costly for wires sold through mass-merchandisers and most speed shops who purchase only the cheapest (to them) and most heavily promoted products

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im thinkin about buyin a set of nology hot wires   i went on there sight and they have a listing for our cars    im usin a tec2 with coil packs   but i use the same plug wire set still.  but are these safe to use? i was just wondering if i should get them   any opinions?

 

I was told by EIP that they prefer to run Taylor wires with the Electormotive EMS. You can buy a kit from taylor to make your own wires any length for around $50 Since its a kit for an 8cyl car you will have plenty left over for a spare set. I have had good luck w/ Taylor.

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im thinkin about buyin a set of nology hot wires i went on there sight and they have a listing for our cars im usin a tec2 with coil packs but i use the same plug wire set still. but are these safe to use? i was just wondering if i should get them any opinions?

 

I was told by EIP that they prefer to run Taylor wires with the Electormotive EMS. You can buy a kit from taylor to make your own wires any length for around $50 Since its a kit for an 8cyl car you will have plenty left over for a spare set. I have had good luck w/ Taylor.

 

Lemme know if you need a set or 2 of Taylors... I got them in my garage.

 

I've never seen worse EMI problems than Taylor. My SDS would not even run right on them. Error code gremlins left and right.

 

Then I read this:

 

"Ignition Wires

 

Proper operation of the SDS ECU requires the use of radio suppression type ignition leads. SOLID CORE WIRES CANNOT BE USED. Resistance type wires should measure a minimum of 3,000 ohms per foot. We highly recommend MAGNECOR OR NGK wires with the spiral wound conductor. We don't recommend the use of Taylor or Nology wires with our systems."

 

MSD, NGK and Magnecor all worked without issue.

 

2 sets of Taylors I tried.

 

I dunno??? :?

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ZPI28 Newbie

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I am running these Accels and they work good for me..

 

http://skeeter.cz28.com/images/MPIconversion7.jpg

 

Oh yeah here is some proof of my car having a clark forklift head on it.

 

http://skeeter.cz28.com/images/MPIconversion5.jpg

 

Steven

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I just ordered some wires from www.cyberauto.com and they arrived very quickly. This is the best price out there for these wires, and they have great customer service as well.

 

http://www.cyberauto.com/index.php/Mitsubi...on-Conquest.txt

 

or http://www.magnecor.com/

 

 

Also gap your NGK at .032 - .038 .

 

I have had excellent results in the .032 - .035 window.

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Hey Boosted_One are you talking about the Magnacore Race Wires or Magnecor ELECTROSPORTS Series? Which ones are you using?

 

 

 

Sorry for the late response!

 

 

I use the Magnecore KV85 Competition (8.5mm)

 

I never ran the elctro ones but from looking at them at a glance they seem to be more towards a stock type wire like an NGK.

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i don't see any prices on their site for any of the wires. do you have to download the catalog to see them?

 

I ordered a set right from the factory for my 1G. Those were $90

 

I ordered a set for my Starion from here:

 

http://cyberauto.com/index.php/MitsubishiS...on-Conquest.txt

 

 

Magnecor KV85 Competition Ignition Wires:

83-89 Starion & 78-89 Conquest, 4505, $58.34

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i don't see any prices on their site for any of the wires. do you have to download the catalog to see them?

 

I ordered a set right from the factory for my 1G. Those were $90

 

I ordered a set for my Starion from here:

 

http://cyberauto.com/index.php/MitsubishiS...on-Conquest.txt

 

 

Magnecor KV85 Competition Ignition Wires:

83-89 Starion & 78-89 Conquest, 4505, $58.34

 

thanks mike. that's a little steep for me, i may just go with the NGK's. did you notice that company makes crank pulleys for a DOHC 2.6? :wink:

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