serpentkilla Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I got my head back from the machine shop today, i as the guy to check to see what kind of valves were in the head also the springs. Well it turns out that the springs were only 60lbs and the valves were from a caravan. Now, the motor overheated and a few of the combustion chambers were leaking and pitted the head, thats why i sent it to the shop. I was not happy with the news i got from the guy, when i ordered the head i ask if the head was for a turbo and they told me yes. Correct me if i'm wrong, if he told me it's for a 1988 mitsubishi starion turbo, should'nt this head come with the carrect springs and valves? I spoke with Steve, i told him what the machine shop said, he goes on to say if the head overheated we stand by our heads for 3 years. I told him the head overheated while i was driving home, it happened in md and i live in pa. But i was not calling him about that. I was calling about the fact that i was misslead and that the head was not for a turbo vehicle, it's a carvan head. I said if i wanted a caravan head i would have went to a junk yard and not paid 400 dollars for it, He said, well good luck on trying to find one that's not cracked. He kept on going back to the head overheating and it is not his fault that the person that sold me the head told me that, and the ship hundreds of heads daily and no one has issues with them. After about 10 mins with this guy steve, he hung up on me, i called right back and a Bob ans the phone, I ask to speak with a manager or supervisor, he asked if this was clarke, i said yes, he says that was the manager u were talking to and no one sells reman heads with stilite valves arsehole and then hangs up on me. I wish to jah i was in driving distance of this place. I WILL NEVER BUY ANY THING OR REC THIS PLACE TO ANYONE AGAIN. If you can tell i'm really pissed of about this. What would u do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I'd file a complaint to the BBB, dispute in that you got the wrong product which caused punitive damages to your engine... go for a home run with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I'd file a complaint to the BBB, dispute in that you got the wrong product which caused punitive damages to your engine... go for a home run with it I'm looking that up right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I pretty much got the same response from Alabama cylinder heads when issues came up. They denied that there was any problem and that it was probably just isolated to us. Like cam hitting the head, oil passage not drilled correctly etc. Sorry to see the problems. One fix is if the casting is still ok you can drop in a set of exhaust- stellite valves and a new set of springs, or better yet a set of schneiders springs. Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I pretty much got the same response from Alabama cylinder heads when issues came up. They denied that there was any problem and that it was probably just isolated to us. Like cam hitting the head, oil passage not drilled correctly etc. Sorry to see the problems. One fix is if the casting is still ok you can drop in a set of exhaust- stellite valves and a new set of springs, or better yet a set of schneiders springs. Dad Yeah Dad, but i should not have to do that. I will change the exhaust valves though. What did u do with those heads did they work with u at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Yeah Dad, but i should not have to do that. I will change the exhaust valves though. What did u do with those heads did they work with u at all? I had a customer that was useing an alabama head it was probably about 9 months old but not driven in winter- the bottom end was freshened up over winter, head was pressure tested and freshened up- well after maybe 3-4 weeks they had oil in the water- They where able tp pressure test the head and found it cracked just under the cam, across the cam journal, I built another head and shipped it to him, he installed it and after about a week he got Water in the oil this time, Thinking the head was new he figured the block was bad and brought me the engine and a spare block- I decided to pressure test the engine and found the NEW ( week old) head cracked under the cam, across the journal. I then decided to check the entire engine because antifreeze in the oil will kill the bearings, I then freshened this engine again with new bearings and rings, in fact I prepped the other block at his request, installed a Marnal head and gave it to the customer at no charge, I then sent both heads to Alabama cylinder heads- with the paper work of what it cost me to go thru the engine again and install a marnal head. The original head warranty was refused cause heat tab was melted- ok i can buy that- however it wasn't cracked in the chamber as most heads crack when over heated.. But the 2nd head that was a week old had a perfect heat tab.... They agreed that I did the right thing to check for damage in the engine and decided to warranty the 2nd head...... THEY PAID FOR 1 BARE Head and A HEAD Gasket. That was all! Nothing else! not een the cost to ship 2 heads to them. So there ya have my story! Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 By the way, Gabriel at OE Marnal corp told me he has NEVER had one of his heads crack on top under the camshaft! By God I will hold him to that quote! Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Remember what Indiana said in your post???..... The also clean and reuse junk valve springs, if they tilt they are junk. If they are darkened at the bottom they have been overheated and are junk. Valve springs are very important and are very inexpensive. Springs are to be a specific height and not lean, the ones on the right in each picture are junk, they look clean huh and came in a reman'd head all they did was clean them up to save money. http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/IM001798.JPG http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/IM001801.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) By the way, Gabriel at OE Marnal corp told me he has NEVER had one of his heads crack on top under the camshaft! By God I will hold him to that quote! Dad lol, i have a set of springs around here somewhere i can't find if not i will be giving u a ring as a matter of fact anything like that i need for this car i'm calling you. we gone be like ebony and ivory ivory lol. damn i was pissed of earlier, call me an a** and hang up no stay on the phone and lets finish it. anyways i feel better now just filed a complaint with bbb. Edited December 18, 2008 by serpentkilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPaus_88TSi Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I got the same deal from Alabama cylinder heads. After speaking with the owner and ordering my head, I specifically asked for stellite valves since it's for a Starion/Conquest. He said he knew all about it and that the head would have those valves. Nope. I got N/A valves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I got the same deal from Alabama cylinder heads. After speaking with the owner and ordering my head, I specifically asked for stellite valves since it's for a Starion/Conquest. He said he knew all about it and that the head would have those valves. Nope. I got N/A valves. The NA exhaust valves will work, but may not hold up in the long run to the heat that our turbo cars have, the Stellite is a coating on the valve face to help resist wear from High temperatures, If I recall it's about .007-.010 thick on the face- a few valve jobs on a turbo valve and you now have a cravan valve. Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxzillian Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) Ah heck, this is easy. Just order a head for a Montero and your expectations will be met. I'll be honest, both Ulrich and I ordered heads for the Monteros through Clearwater. By the sounds of it, we'd have been disappointed if we ordered Starion heads. However, so far the heads have worked fine in both our cars. I've logged around 2000 miles on mine with a 14G set at 12 psi and Tim has around 1000 with a 14G set at 16 psi. However, I am interested to see how the valves hold up once I start pushing the car towards a 300 engine hp goal. Edited December 18, 2008 by Maxzillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I got the same deal from Alabama cylinder heads. After speaking with the owner and ordering my head, I specifically asked for stellite valves since it's for a Starion/Conquest. He said he knew all about it and that the head would have those valves. Nope. I got N/A valves. did u just replaced the valves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPaus_88TSi Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Never got around to it. I might as well get some stainless OS valves and rework my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Never got around to it. I might as well get some stainless OS valves and rework my head. are you running the head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edde Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I've not had any trouble really with my CW head. I put 20k on it then replaced the caravan exhaust valves with stellite and new intakes, good springs, whole thing checked. Yes, they used non stellite valves on the exhaust and used springs which were soft. It ran great on a daily driver. For $375 delivered at the time it was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdScrip Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 (edited) I've not had any trouble really with my CW head. I put 20k on it then replaced the caravan exhaust valves with stellite and new intakes, good springs, whole thing checked. Yes, they used non stellite valves on the exhaust and used springs which were soft. It ran great on a daily driver. For $375 delivered at the time it was fine. Fair enough, but buying from someone who reuses a part (spring) when they should not obviously does not care about the quality of their product. Especially when its a $100+ product. Like you said if its just to get it to drive thats fine, but when your looking for performance I would worry. I don't go spending a bunch of money on a new head and not want some quality work. I think this company just likes $$$. Edited December 18, 2008 by ColdScrip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Fair enough, but buying from someone who reuses a part (spring) when they should not obviously does not care about the quality of their product. Especially when its a $100+ product. Like you said if its just to get it to drive thats fine, but when your looking for performance I would worry. I don't go spending a bunch of money on a new head and not want some quality work. I think this company just likes $$$. I agree, this is supposed to be a new head, new casting but some damn 60lbs spring. i'm getting pissed again. I'm gonna head to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 man i have lost count of the number of times i have mention'd this fact ,,buy bare head and have your valves install'd and use new snieder springs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 man i have lost count of the number of times i have mention'd this fact ,,buy bare head and have your valves install'd and use new snieder springs And you are right, you live and you learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edde Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 I didn't mean to end up on the wrong side of this at all. They should put good parts on a head or tell you what they're doing. As I said though I had 20k miles of rough enough treatment and never a valve problem. Weak springs, yessiree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) I didn't mean to end up on the wrong side of this at all. They should put good parts on a head or tell you what they're doing. As I said though I had 20k miles of rough enough treatment and never a valve problem. Weak springs, yessiree. It's all good, I have the worst luck though and i'm not kidding. Just my luck i put the head back on and bam there goes the valve and a broken spring and it goes down in the engine and then it starts to snow really bad and we get like 9' and one time at band camp. Ok thats enough of that. I just have really bad luck. Edited December 19, 2008 by serpentkilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 does anyone have pics of a set of schnider springs? I think i found the ones i had, they are at least one coil taller than some stock springs i have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxzillian Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Here ya go, 2 5/16" tall. http://maxzillian.com/starion/schneiderspring1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentkilla Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Here ya go, 2 5/16" tall. http://maxzillian.com/starion/schneiderspring1.jpg You are the man Max, i found them, yessssss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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