19cturbo Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) do we have to run a cam sensor? wouldnt like a dsm CAS be necessary for sequential injection? or in other words, where does the injectors get their pulse from? is it the edis? Edited November 16, 2010 by 19cturbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmyers151 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 For sequential injection, yes. For batch fire, no. Sequential is really only necessary when your trying to get every last little bit of power out of your motor. You should be more than fine with batch fire. Running EDIS does not require you to have a cam angle sensor or signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19cturbo Posted November 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 For sequential injection, yes. For batch fire, no. Sequential is really only necessary when your trying to get every last little bit of power out of your motor. You should be more than fine with batch fire. Running EDIS does not require you to have a cam angle sensor or signal. sweet thanks, i have a guy pretty familiar with megasquirt here local to me, and i have been talking to him, he was asking me, i guess sequential would be something to do later, once you get everything smoothed out and running then want to squeeze a little more out of it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmyers151 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 No problem dude. I've been all my research incognito, somehow or another, I think it's sticking, haha. I've been tinkering with modding a stock distributor stalk to work with a 1g DSM cam angle sensor. I just need to get my hands on a small lathe and mill and it should be cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19cturbo Posted November 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 i was reading through the mega manual online, but i cant really find any good info.. ya know? but i guess its good we are in this together...lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmyers151 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Yeah, buy the book they put out. I've been reading it, its helped me a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkidmino Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 I thought the guys running EDIS get a cam signal from modding the distributor? Wait, no, that was with a magna distributor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psu_Crash Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) No problem dude. I've been all my research incognito, somehow or another, I think it's sticking, haha. I've been tinkering with modding a stock distributor stalk to work with a 1g DSM cam angle sensor. I just need to get my hands on a small lathe and mill and it should be cake. You can run an optical dizzy from a 2.4L Mighty Max or maybe it was a D50 to get sequential working. Bolts right in where the stock dizzy went with a small spacer and it is effectively a cam angle sensor. I plan to go that route this winter and ditch EDIS. I just don't like how little room I have with EDIS and the *DM radiator. Plus then I can run direct coil control and make use of launch control and ignition rev limiting. I have a link to a topic about it on my laptop. John (starquestrescue) showed it to me. I'll have to dig it up later on. Edit: Here are the links http://*DMperformance.com/showthread.php?t=5261 What the dizzy came on and some part numbers. I plan to junkyard hunt for one. CARDONE SELECT Part # 8448409HI-TEST Part # 83820EBECK/ARNLEY Part # 1850383A-1 CARDONE Part # 3148409 DODGE 2000 GTX (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 100 DL (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 100 E (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 100 LX (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 200 DL (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 200 E (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 200 LX 1989DODGE COLT DL (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT E 1989DODGE COLT GL 1990DODGE COLT GT (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT VISTA (1987 - 1991)DODGE RAM 50 (1990 - 1993)DODGE RAM 50 SE (1990 - 1993)EAGLE SUMMIT DL (1989 - 1990)EAGLE SUMMIT LX (1989 - 1990)HYUNDAI EXCEL (1991 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL CX (1993 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL CXL (1992 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL GL (1990 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL GLS (1990 - 1991)HYUNDAI EXCEL GS (1992 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL L (1990 - 1992)HYUNDAI S-COUPE (1991 - 1992)HYUNDAI S-COUPE LS (1991 - 1992)HYUNDAI SONATA (1989 - 1991)HYUNDAI SONATA DELUXE 1989HYUNDAI SONATA GL (1989 - 1991)HYUNDAI SONATA GLS (1989 - 1991)HYUNDAI SONATA SPORT DELUXE 1989MITSUBISHI GALANT (1987 - 1990)MITSUBISHI GALANT LS (1989 - 1990)MITSUBISHI MIGHTY MAX (1990 - 1994)MITSUBISHI MIGHTY MAX LWB 1992MITSUBISHI MIGHTY MAX SWB (1992 - 1996)MITSUBISHI MIRAGE (1989 - 1990)MITSUBISHI MIRAGE LS 1989MITSUBISHI MIRAGE RS 1990MITSUBISHI MIRAGE VL 1990MITSUBISHI PRECIS (1990 - 1994)MITSUBISHI PRECIS RS (1990 - 1991)MITSUBISHI VAN (1987 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 100 1990PLYMOUTH COLT 100 DL (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 100 E (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 100 LX (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 200 DL (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 200 E (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 200 LX 1989PLYMOUTH COLT DL (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT E 1989PLYMOUTH COLT GL 1990PLYMOUTH COLT GT (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT VISTA (1987 - 1991) Edited November 16, 2010 by psu_Crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmyers151 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) Please post that up when you can. I didn't know that was an option. Edit: learning learning learning Edited November 16, 2010 by dmyers151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19cturbo Posted November 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 I thought the guys running EDIS get a cam signal from modding the distributor? Wait, no, that was with a magna distributor. yeah ill be running the EDIS, and i guess ill use batch fire? im not sure what any of this means but i guess ill learn it.. is this the book?http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/performance-fuel-injection-systems-hp-books-p-436.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmyers151 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) ^ Yup, that book. It explains the different styles of injection and ECU feedback and stuff. Edited November 16, 2010 by dmyers151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19cturbo Posted November 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 ^ Yup, that book. It explains the different styles of injection and ECU feedback and stuff. i may have to pick this up, if it explains things well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmyers151 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 It def. helped me better understand some stuff I thought I knew about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_insanity Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 You can run an optical dizzy from a 2.4L Mighty Max or maybe it was a D50 to get sequential working. Bolts right in where the stock dizzy went with a small spacer and it is effectively a cam angle sensor. I plan to go that route this winter and ditch EDIS. I just don't like how little room I have with EDIS and the *DM radiator. Plus then I can run direct coil control and make use of launch control and ignition rev limiting. I have a link to a topic about it on my laptop. John (starquestrescue) showed it to me. I'll have to dig it up later on. Edit: Here are the links http://*DMperformance.com/showthread.php?t=5261 What the dizzy came on and some part numbers. I plan to junkyard hunt for one. CARDONE SELECT Part # 8448409HI-TEST Part # 83820EBECK/ARNLEY Part # 1850383A-1 CARDONE Part # 3148409 DODGE 2000 GTX (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 100 DL (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 100 E (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 100 LX (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 200 DL (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 200 E (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT 200 LX 1989DODGE COLT DL (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT E 1989DODGE COLT GL 1990DODGE COLT GT (1989 - 1990)DODGE COLT VISTA (1987 - 1991)DODGE RAM 50 (1990 - 1993)DODGE RAM 50 SE (1990 - 1993)EAGLE SUMMIT DL (1989 - 1990)EAGLE SUMMIT LX (1989 - 1990)HYUNDAI EXCEL (1991 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL CX (1993 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL CXL (1992 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL GL (1990 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL GLS (1990 - 1991)HYUNDAI EXCEL GS (1992 - 1994)HYUNDAI EXCEL L (1990 - 1992)HYUNDAI S-COUPE (1991 - 1992)HYUNDAI S-COUPE LS (1991 - 1992)HYUNDAI SONATA (1989 - 1991)HYUNDAI SONATA DELUXE 1989HYUNDAI SONATA GL (1989 - 1991)HYUNDAI SONATA GLS (1989 - 1991)HYUNDAI SONATA SPORT DELUXE 1989MITSUBISHI GALANT (1987 - 1990)MITSUBISHI GALANT LS (1989 - 1990)MITSUBISHI MIGHTY MAX (1990 - 1994)MITSUBISHI MIGHTY MAX LWB 1992MITSUBISHI MIGHTY MAX SWB (1992 - 1996)MITSUBISHI MIRAGE (1989 - 1990)MITSUBISHI MIRAGE LS 1989MITSUBISHI MIRAGE RS 1990MITSUBISHI MIRAGE VL 1990MITSUBISHI PRECIS (1990 - 1994)MITSUBISHI PRECIS RS (1990 - 1991)MITSUBISHI VAN (1987 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 100 1990PLYMOUTH COLT 100 DL (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 100 E (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 100 LX (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 200 DL (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 200 E (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT 200 LX 1989PLYMOUTH COLT DL (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT E 1989PLYMOUTH COLT GL 1990PLYMOUTH COLT GT (1989 - 1990)PLYMOUTH COLT VISTA (1987 - 1991) dude, thats some seriously good info. i wish i had known that a while back, the cas in my mm pickup went bad and i bout a new one to the tune of like 250ish. i couldnt find a truck in a junkyard anywhere that still had one in it. and i didnt realize it was what was needed to run sequential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 I have been sitting on this for about 6 months or so.i got the dizzy idea from ChrisVipers post. here are a few pics. 1996 Mighty max dizzy http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/I-W/Mega%20Squirt/Cam-Crank-Dizzy-1.jpg http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/I-W/Mega%20Squirt/Spacer.jpg in this picture you can see the difference between the mighty max and the stock starquest hole.this is the hole the post goes through to tighten it in place. the quest i farther out from center. http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/I-W/Mega%20Squirt/Spacer-7.jpg the spacer i made can allow me to basically put the dizzy in any 360 degree position i want. http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/I-W/Mega%20Squirt/Spacer-3.jpg http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/I-W/Mega%20Squirt/Cam-Crank-Dizzy.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_insanity Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 so i assume the thickness of the spacer, is the amount it needs to be spaced out to make it mesh with the cam gear ? is the gear on the dist the same as our gear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_insanity Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 pin 24 of the db37 harness, is the pip wire. or the tach signal input. its already ran in shielded wire from diy. other than that, i might would recomend using shielded wire to go from the vr sensor to the edis module. if you have a length of wire/pigtail with the edis sensor you will notice one side of it was shielded and the other was not. this should be fine. just to be on the safe side, use shielded wire for the saw and pip wires as well as to the vr sensor. none of the other sesnors seem to be of any concern as far as noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psu_Crash Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 I have been sitting on this for about 6 months or so.i got the dizzy idea from ChrisVipers post. here are a few pics. Looks good!Did you ever mock it up see how things fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 (edited) the guy who made the EDIS setup for me made the spacer.he had a head cam and cam gear to use for test fit. the gear has exactly the same number of teeth. Edited November 18, 2010 by importwarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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