Pounder_Pit Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 What are the differences in these turbos, i'm kinda new to setups, are these straight bolt on or do mods need to be done for these :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4NMOPAR Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 I think a T3/T4 requires another fabbed flange but don't quote me on that, but I"M sure they're different housings and turbine wheels too, I"M still learning so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy_85stariones Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 There are two major brands of turbochargers, Mitsubishi and Garrett. Each of them have their own flange design(s). In the Mitsubishi world, the exhaust wheel TD05, TD05H, TD06 is contained by the exhaust housing. The exhaust housing has its own sizes -- ours is 8cm2. So, only a TD05-8cm2 housing will bolt directly to our factory exhaust manifold. Also, our factory turbo housing can be bored out to fit larger exhaust wheel and compressor wheel. http://starquest.i-x.net/viewtopic.php?t=504TD05 TD06 -12A -14G Alphabet Soup?? http://www.turbochargers.com/Turbos/MitsuTurbos.htmOur cars came equipped with Mitsubishi turbos from the factory. So did most Chryslers, a few Saabs and Volvos, and the GMC Cyclone/Typhoon. Other makes of cars came equipped with Garrett turbos. These include most Porsches and Nissans. Examples of Mitsubishi Model NumbersTD05-12A-8CM2 (Starion)exhaust (aka turbine) housing: TD05-8CM2exhaust (aka turbine) wheel: TD05compressor wheel: -12A TD05H-14G-8CM2 (Starion)exhaust (aka turbine) housing: TD05H-8CM2exhaust (aka turbine) wheel: TD05Hcompressor wheel: -14G TD05H-14B-6CM2 (Eclipse, Talon, Laser)exhaust (aka turbine) housing: TD05H-6CM2exhaust (aka turbine) wheel: TD05Hcompressor wheel: -14B It is common practice for turbo rebuilders to port the compressor housings to make room for larger compressor wheels. ------------------------------------------------Oversimplifying things -- there are two components of the turbocharger, the exhaust side and the compressor side. On the exhaust side there is the housing and wheel. Wheel sizes from smallest to largest -- TD05, TD05H, and TD06. On the compressor side there is the housing and compressor wheel. Wheel sizes from smallest to largest -- 12, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20. The letter suffix is the trim of the wheel, which is the balance between quick spool versus the ability to compress air over 15 psi. Trims from quick spool/boost below 10 psi to slow spool/boost above 20 psi -- -a, -b, -c, and -g. --------------------------------------------------Examples of Garrett exhaust (aka turbine) housings and wheels:T25, T3, T4, Examples of Garrett compressor wheels:Super 60, T61, T88--------------------------------------------------Boosted_OneTurbine sizing - CM2 to A/R 6 cm2 = 0.41 A/R7 cm2 = 0.49 A/R8 cm2 = 0.57 A/R9 cm2 = 0.65 A/R10 cm2 = 0.73 A/R11 cm2 = 0.81 A/R12 cm2 = 0.89 A/R This is just a rough guide. It would depend which housing you have, the nozzle area size and other variables. So it isn't exactly cut and dry...there's a few variables there that throw a direct comparison out the window. Good example is the 06-17C Ty/Sy turbo..it has the same 8cm2 housing as our Conquest/Starion but has a larger turbine inlet and outlet so it will flow better than the same 8cm2 05 housing.-------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy_85stariones Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 List of cars with turbo-charged engines and corresponding brand/model of turbohttp://www.gamesbbs.com/~turbosi/junkyard_turbo_list.html Junkyard Turbo List Last updated: 09/06/2002 AUDI-Europe 200 88 2.2L KKK K26AUDI-Europe 200 88-91 2.2L KKK K24AUDI-Europe 200 Quattro 91 2.2L KKK K24AUDI-Europe 5000 80-88 2.2L KKK K26AUDI-Europe 5000 Diesel 2.0L 88 KKK K24AUDI-Europe 5000 Quattro 82-88 2.2L KKK K26AUDI-Europe S4 Quattro 92-94 2.2L KKK K24AUDI-Europe S4 Biturbo/tt-180 99 2.7L/1.8L KKK K03AUDI-Europe TT-225hp 99 1.8L KKK K04AUDI A3, A4, A6, Cabriolet 1.8L,/1.9L diesel GAR GT-15 BMW 324TD/524TD 83-86 GAR TB0324BMW 745I 84-86 KKK K27 BUICK GNX 87 3.8L GAR TB0348BUICK Monte Carlo/Regal 78-83 3.8L carbed GAR TB0348BUICK Riviera 80-85 3.8L GAR TB0308BUICK Grand National/T-Type 86-87 3.8L (Intercooled) GAR TB0348 (TA48)BUICK Trans Am 89 3.8L GAR TB0348 (water)BUICK Century 78 3.8L GAR TB0301BUICK Century 79 3.8L GAR TB0304BUICK Century 80 3.8L GAR TB0308 CHEVY Sprint 1.0L IHI RHB31CHEVY Spectrum 85-90 1.5L IHI RHB521 CHRYSLER Conquest, Intercooled 87 2.6L MHI TD05CHRYSLER Laser (Auto) 90-94 2.2L MHI TD04CHRYSLER Laser (Manual) 90-94 2.2L MHI TD05HCHRYSLER LeBaron 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04HCHRYSLER LeBaron 88 2.5L MHI TE04HCHRYSLER New Yorker 88 2.5L MHI TE04HCHRYSLER New Yorker 84-87 2.2L GAR TB0335CHRYSLER Town & Country 88 2.2L MHI TE04HCHRYSLER Town & Country 84-87 2.2L GAR TB0335CHRYSLER Charger/Shelby 87-90 2.2L GAR TB03 (water)CHRYSLER Shelby CSX-Daytona/Baron GTC/Shadow ES 89-90 2.2L GAR TB03 VNT (variable nozzle) DODGE 600 88 2.5L MHI TE04HDODGE 600 85-87 2.2L GAR TB0335DODGE Aries 88 2.2L MHI TE04HDODGE Caravan 89-90 2.5L MHI TE04HDODGE Conquest (Intercooled) 87 2.6L MHI TD05DODGE Daytona 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04HDODGE Daytona Shelby 88 2.2L MHI TE04HDODGE Daytona Shelby 84-87 2.2L GAR TB0335DODGE Lancer 89 2.5L MHI TE04HDODGE Lancer 88 2.5L MHI TE04HDODGE Lancer 85-87 2.2L GAR TB0335DODGE Omni 85-87 2.2L GAR TB0335DODGE Shadow 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04HDODGE Shadow 88 2.5L MHI TE04HDODGE Shadow 87 2.2L GAR TB0335DODGE Spirit 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04H EAGLE Talon (Manual) 90-94 2.0L MHI TD05H (45 trim)EAGLE Talon (Auto) 90-95 2.0L MHI TD04EAGLE Talon (Manual) 95-98 2.0L MHI T25 (45 trim) FORD Mustang GT 85-86 2.3L GAR TB0344FORD Mustang GT/T-bird 83-84 GAR (AiR) TB0344FORD Probe GT 88-92 2.2L IHI RHB52WFORD T-Bird 85-86 2.3L (auto) GAR (AiR) TB0344 (45 trim oil only)FORD T-Bird 85-86 2.3L (Manual) GAR (AiR) TB03 60 trim (watercooled)FORD T-Bird 87-88 (water) IHI RHB52FORD Fiesta 90+ 1.6L GAR T2FORD Escort 84-86 IHI RHB5 ISUZU MPR Truck 88-92 IHI RHB6-A MAZDA 626, MX6 88-92 2.2L IHI RHB52WMAZDA 323 GTX turbo 88-89 1.6L IHI RHB52W (water) MERCEDES 300D, SDT, TD 78-84 3.0L GAR TA0301MERCEDES 300SDL 78-83 3.0L GAR TA0301MERCEDES 300SDL (Calif.) 86-87 3.0L GAR TB0359 MERCURY Capri 85-86 2.3L GAR TB0344MERCURY Cougar 85-86 2.3L GAR TB0344 MERKUR XR4Ti 85-88 2.3L GAR TB0344 MITSUBISHI Eclipse (Auto) 90-94 2.2L MHI TD04MITSUBISHI Eclipse (Manual) 90-94 2.2L MHI TD05HMITSUBISHI Eclipse (Manual) 95-98 2.0L MHI T25 (45 trim)MITSUBISHI Galant (Auto) 88-94 2.2L MHI TD04MITSUBISHI Galant (Manual) 88-94 2.2L MHI TD05HMITSUBISHI Starion (Intercooled) 85-87 2.6L MHI TD05MITSUBISHI 3000GT VR4 - 2x MHI TD04H PLYMOUTH Acclaim 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04HPLYMOUTH Caravelle 88 2.5L MHI TE04HPLYMOUTH Caravelle 85-87 2.2L GAR TB0335PLYMOUTH Conquest, Intercooled 85-89 2.6L MHI TD05PLYMOUTH Laser (Auto) 89-94 2.0L MHI TD04PLYMOUTH Laser (Manual) 89-94 2.0L MHI TD05HPLYMOUTH Sundance 89-92 2.5L MHI TE04HPLYMOUTH Sundance 88 2.5L MHI TE04HPLYMOUTH Sundance 87 2.2L GAR TB0335PLYMOUTH Voyager 89-90 2.5L MHI TE04H PONTIAC Sunbird GT 88-90 2.0L GAR T2PONTIAC Sunbird GT 84-86 1.8L GAR T2PONTIAC Grand Prix 89-90 3.1L GAR T25 (water) SAAB 9000 (16V Intercooled) 87-88 2.0L GAR TB0356SAAB 900 (16V Intercooled) 87 2.0L GAR TB0339 (Oilcld)SAAB 900 (16V Intercooled) 84-86 2.0L GAR TB0339 (Oilcld)SAAB 9000 (16V Intercooled) 85-86 2.0L GAR TB0343SAAB 900 (8V, APC) 82-84 2.0L GAR TB0321 VOLVO 200 82-84 2.3L GAR TB0313VOLVO 740 89-93 2.3L MIT TD04HVOLVO 740 87-89 2.3L MIT TD05VOLVO 760 89-93 2.3L MIT TD04HVOLVO 760 87-89 2.3L MIT TD05VOLVO 780 85-87 2.3L GAR TB0363VOLVO 780 90 2.3L MIT TD04HVOLVO 780 87-89 2.3L MIT TD05VOLVO 940 91-93 2.3L MIT TD04HVOLVO 200 Watercooled Upgrade 82-84 2.3L GAR TB0368VOLVO 740 (Oil Cooled) 83-85 2.3L GAR TB0326VOLVO 740 (Watercooled) 85-87 2.3L GAR TB0363VOLVO 760 (Oil Cooled) 83-86 2.3L GAR TB0326VOLVO 760 (Watercooled) 85-87 2.3L GAR TB0363 VW Passat, 97+ (oil) 1.8L GAR GT15 GAR=Garrett=AiResearch, MHI=Mitsubishi Heavy industries, MIT=Mitsubishi Compiled by Randy Gazdecki. While I have attempted to keep this list as accurate as possible, I cannot guarantee the accuracy or completeness of this list. Use as a reference only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy_85stariones Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 http://www.starquestclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28397 JustPaus_88TSiPosted: June 2, 2005, 5:05 pmPost subject: Difference between a TD06 and a TD06h ex housing Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' (MHI) turbocharger nomenclature, such as TD04-13G-6cm2, requires some explanation. "TD04" and "TD05" refer to the turbocharger housing (either turbine housing or compressor housing or both), including the center housing (or CHRA or cartridge section). There are different styles of the basic housings and these have different suffixes appended to the basic designation, such as TD04L, TD04H, TD04HL, TD05, TD05H, and TD05HR. TD04 housings have part numbers that start with 49177. TD04L housing part numbers start with 49377. Part numbers for TD04H and TD04HL housings start with 49189. The TD04HL compressor housing is easily distinguished from the others because of the integrated by-pass valve (see the pictures of the SL/MK TD04-18T hybrid below). The TD04LR-16Gk-6cm2 turbo (used on the turbocharged 2.4-L I-4 engine in the new PT Cruiser GT and SRT-4 Neon) is unique and not usable on our cars: the turbine housing is cast into the exhaust manifold, the impeller spins counter-clockwise, and the bypass valve is cast into the compressor housing. All TD05, TD05H, and TD05HR housings start with 49178. The TD05HR turbine housing (found on the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV through VIII) is a twin scroll design. All the other TD04 and TD05 turbine housings have a single volute in the turbine housing. Like the TD04LR, the "R" in the designation refers to the fact that the turbine wheel spins in the reverse direction (counter-clockwise) compared to the standard TD05H turbine. The MHI part numbering system, and the possible combinations, can be somewhat overwhelming and confusing. For example, the MHI Sport Turbo Upgrade for our cars is usually referred to as the TD04L-13G-6cm2. This turbo clearly has the standard TD04 (49177) housings (at least by external appearances). However, both the stock TD04-09B-6 and the upgrade TD04L-13G-6 use the 49377 cartridge (but note the different complete part numbers) from the TD04L turbos. TD04 turbos used in other cars (even some other TD04-09B turbos) use the 49177 cartridge. The "13G" in the model name refers to the compressor wheel. The "13" is the size and the "G" is the style. The 13G wheel has an exducer (or base) diameter or 2.000" and an inducer diameter (air intake opening) of 1.580". All MHI wheels I have seen have 12 blades. Blades are always evenly spaced, but the pitch and height of the blades can change between models. "B"- and "C"-style compressor wheels have all blade tips at the same height. "G"-, "Gk"-, and "T"-style wheels have blade tips at two heights, alternating high and low. Mitsubishi does not seem to use seperate designations for different size turbine wheels, other than the TD04, TD04H, TE04, TD05H, etc., designation. The "6cm2" in the model name is similar to the A/R ratio used by other manufacturers. The "A" in an A/R ratio is the cross-sectional area of the smallest intake passage in the turbine housing before the passage spreads around the circumferential volute that leads to the turbine wheel. The "R" in the ratio is the distance from the center of the "A" to the center of the turbine wheel. The MHI "6cm2" designation is just the "A" in the A/R ratio, that is, it is just the cross-sectional area. Like A/R, the smaller the size of the "cm2" number, the faster the exhaust gases will discharge onto the turbine wheel, and so the faster the spool up will be (less "lag"). The size of the "cm2" number or the A/R ratio also determines the amount of exhaust gas backpressure and, thus, reversion into the combustion chamber. A larger "cm2" number (or larger A/R) means less backpressure at high exhaust flow. Extreme Turbo says that the TD05H-7cm2 housing is equivalent to a 0.50 A/R. The Rocky Mountain DSM turbo guide presents the following conversion between Mitsubishi's "cm2" number and the standard A/R.6 cm2 = 0.41 A/R7 cm2 = 0.49 A/R8 cm2 = 0.57 A/R9 cm2 = 0.65 A/R10 cm2 = 0.73 A/R11 cm2 = 0.81 A/R12 cm2 = 0.89 A/R JustPaus_88TSiPosted: June 2, 2005, 5:08 pmPost subject: Q:What is the H in the TD06H? A:H = Hi flow. Basically it is a larger turbine wheel with a slightly different (more open) design. So the 06H is larger and will flow more than the 06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pounder_Pit Posted August 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 WOW :shock: , that's more than what I need to know, but very helpful, thanks for the info, now I'm starting to understand things a little more around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conquestpa Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 OK, this should be in the FAQ area! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 another turbo you may run into is made by Air Research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boosted_One Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 another turbo you may run into is made by Air Research That's Garrett just relabeled Shelby...that's what I got...an AiResearch... http://a5.cpimg.com/image/73/03/15713395-79cd-0190012C-.jpg This is my T4 when it had the S trim in it when I bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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