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I believe the EIP Quest ran best with the STOCK CAM. 10.61 and then a 10.4 i believe with a 50 shot? NOS only used in 1st gear.

 

yeah, he also ran the STOCK exhaust manifold.

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Okay. So I have been thinking, now what if you run a small ar on the exhaust and just run a bigger waste gate, wouldn't that help with the bottlenecking? Or would if still be there because your loosing that much heat to spool the turbo to make boost pressure? I plan on running a Vgt turbo from a cummins and the cm on it fully closed runs 3-4 and fully open is 25cm. I really want to log the tip vs map pressure and get some more info on this.
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Variable area turbines are the way to go, in theory you don't need a waste gate but you will need some kind of control mechanism. What do you have in mind?

 

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Stock manifold, aftermarket, I don't care. Just get busy, collect the data and post up. We get this figured out and someone can make some real power, not old EIP livin' in the past baby power.

 

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Well there is a write up on how to use the stock servo motor. They are you a RC motor controller and a program to read map pressure to adjust it. I have heard even with the vanes all the way open it still tends to boost creep, But I will find out for my self. Some people have pulled the servo motor off and made brackets for a normal waste gate actuator. Now the problem with that is they don't set it up to get the full sweep to fully closed to fully open. I'm sure I can make it work.I know that the turbo is being ran by very few in the DSM crowd, I how ever did see one Starquest with one a couple of years ago. I have heard spool up time is that of a ball bearing if not faster, which isn't bad for the size of the turbo and that it is still a journal bearing.
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Guess I could tap my intake manifold flange and pull some numbers from the egr port.

 

Now you're thinking clearly. Get it done!

 

They are you a RC motor controller and a program to read map pressure to adjust it.

 

Sounds perfect for control by megasquirt, I'm going to look into this.

 

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Some info here about 2/3 of the way down the page. http://starion.mrbdesign.com.au/

 

The main difference between the turbos was:

1) Reduction of exhaust manifold backpressure by 0.5 bar (7.25 psi) @ 6000 RPM!!!!

Uncorked!!!!

 

2) Reduction in compressor outlet temperature of approx 20 degrees C

Note: this is with a lot higher airflow as well.

 

Another discovery is the major restriction between the turbo outlet and the inlet manifold. There is about a 3.8 psi pressure drop through the TBI (with 220HP airflow) noted as "A" in the graph.

 

 

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Well my car off the jack stands. Put the 19c TD05h 15* clip turbo on. Thought the clip would help a little. Apparently not :lol: I have seen as much as 50 psi turbine back pressure. Pressure ratios about 2.2-2.5. I made the picture big, click on it for max resolution. The dotted lines are a pull from a slightly steeper tuning hill.

 

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Data%20logs/TBP-1.jpg

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