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I was driving around this past weekend when the did a small stutter and ran a little poorly. I got home and didn't think much of it until I tried starting it the next day and it would start for a second then die. I checked spark, that was fine. I checked everything I could think of and found the fuel pump wasn't coming on.

 

So narrowing it down to that I started checking that, but not having my multimeter on hand I could only make some guesses. I checked all the fuses, they were good. I put in a tested good fuel pump and that wasn't it. I replaced the fusible link that's on the battery with a piece of wire, because it felt like it had a soft spot, and that wasn't it.

 

I should have my multimeter back tonight and will be able to see if I'm getting juice to the pump connector. If I'm not getting signal to the plug what other things can I check?

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I haven't yet. I do hear a relay over by the passenger kickplate clicking, so I was assuming the relay was good, but I'll try the test connector tonight. I'm guessing that if that doesn't work, then that relay is bad?
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What year is your car? If its a pre88 your ignitor might have just died. No ignition pulse and the ECU will not fire your injectors and the fuel pump will only run with the ignition key in the cranking position.

 

You can check wiring back to the pump and if the pump works by using the pump test port.

 

Early model

 

http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/Fuel%20P1.jpg

 

Late model

 

http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/pumptestport1.jpg

 

 

 

 

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I just ran out and tested the fuel pump check terminal and the pump comes on. Then I found my big green book, that says 1989 Chrysler Conquest on the front, and looked up the fuel pump circuit and it showing me a sub fusible link 2, which I don't have. When I was working on the fusible link for my headlight I mentioned that and was told that the later models didn't have a sub fuse 2, BUT IT'S IN MY BOOK!

 

So now that I know the fuel pump is good, where can I start looking for this problem? Would it be the main eci relay? It makes clicking sounds like it should.

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The negative coil terminal has two wires on it, one is for the tach in the dash that's the metal thing with the two wires from it one is white and one is black and the other wire leads back to the ECU. The ECU doesn't get a tach signal from the "tach" in the instrument cluster it comes from the coil. That metal thing is a resistor for the instrument cluster tach.
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So you're saying that because my ecu doesn't think the car is turning over it's not letting the fuel pump turn on? Would this also explain why my tach would occasionally stop working?

 

I'll run out and check it now.

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The ECU doesn't turn the pump on but it does send a signal, voltage, to hold the relay closed so the pump stays on and if there is no tach signal the ECU cuts out that voltage to the relay and the pump shuts off. The cranking position of the ignition switch is an over-ride that gets the motor started then just the ECU holds that relay closed so the pump runs.

 

If the coil is bad or the wires to it have bad connections that is a possible cause.

 

http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/ignsequence.jpg

 

Wires to the control relay, this relay rarely has any problems and I've never seen a bad one

 

http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/IM000985.JPG http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/IM000989.JPG http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/IM000993.JPG.

 

There are 8 wires all different colors.

 

From top to bottom their color and control relay position according to the C/S service manual and a short description.

 

BW-black/white stripe 01 / (+) output / turns on the Fuel Pump when starter is cranking or engine is running

 

WR-white/red stripe 02 / (-) input / signal from ECU to activate fuel pump relay after

 

ign. switch moves from "start" position and engine is running

 

BR-black/red stripe 03 / (+) output / when ignition "on", this sends power to the injectors

 

B -black 04 / (-) grounded to body

 

BY-black/yellow stripe 06 / (+) input / from ign. switch "start" position

 

this activates a relay that turns on the fuel pump

 

R -red 05 / (+) output / when ignition "on", this powers the ECU

 

L -blue 08 / (+) input / from ign. switch "on" position

 

this activates a relay that powers the ECU and the injectors

 

B -black 07 / (+) input / fuse link back to Battery positive terminal

 

Here's the pigtail from the control relay.

 

http://www.b2600turbo.com/images/IM000933.JPG

 

The "control relay" is actually two relays ( magnetic coils ) in one and how the control relay functions is that when the ign. switch is in the "on" position that energizes one of the two coils via position 8 (14ga) and that takes the current coming in from position 7 (16ga) and passes it through to positions 3 and 5. When the ign. switch is in the "start" position that energizes the other coil to pass more of the current from position 7 through to position 1.

 

 

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There under the mounting bolts of the ignitor of that bracket that holds the small relays are two black wires with band markings to a singal ring terminal, that's the ground for the ignition components and that must be clean. Is that connection dirty or screwed down into paint or under a rusty screw?
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Thanks for all of the input Indiana. Your suggestion about the resistor prompted the fix. I checked the resistor last night and found that it was 2.36k ohms. I figured that was probably ok since it read something other that infinity. I then decided to start checking the wires going back to the ecu, and guess what I found... The stupid ecu plug had fallen out, but not so far that you could tell by looking at it. That was it, car's fixed.

 

I just wish I had come across that idea before I swapped in a fuel pump. On the plus side I got a new multimeter and timing light.

 

Thanks for all the help.

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