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#1 QuestFan

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:05 PM

I edited my original post to have this thread deleted. It has now been brought back. Here is the reason why I started this thread: A total of 8 cracks. This is the third time this manifold has cracked, this time it isnt gettting repaired.

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Edited by QuestFan, 02 October 2011 - 06:35 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:20 PM

send that back and get a refund. its not your fault he used crap materials. You shouldnt be out anything other than maybe the shipping fees IMO.

Yes you knew it was gonna crack but for it to happen this soon is ridiculous.

buy this and be done with it; http://www.ebay.com/...984.m1586.l2649

Edited by NotStock88, 02 September 2011 - 01:47 AM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:43 PM

Wow! Thank God you posted this, I was gonna order one! Sorry to hear about your problems man. I agree, you should be refunded the full amount minus shipping of course! Car looks killer by the way, good to see a highly modded TX car so close to me. I'm the only quest in Amarillo TX!
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:51 PM

Well I didnt know it was going to do all that crap untill the second time the WG cracked and I posted about it on here. (See link in original post) When I posted that, Chad talked to me in length about the fabrication of a manifold. He blew my mind.

Edited by YoungQuestFan, 01 September 2011 - 08:55 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:55 PM

Wow they used the wrong material.... That steel is way to thin and probably to soft. Nice post YoungQuestFan

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:58 PM

Chad needs to make headers again, or so that's what it sounds like to me!
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:59 PM

View PostOutKastGT, on 01 September 2011 - 08:58 PM, said:

Chad needs to make headers again, or so that's what it sounds like to me!

He still does. He is my next option. Or get a stock manifold and have a WG flange welded to it and get a turbo flange adapter. Like Phinko did.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:07 PM

Make sure you do this as while you're at it: http://www.starquest...howtopic=123691
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:12 PM

before you go giving him a bad name, couple question.

why didnt you get it coated?

did you heat clyce it before hard boosting?

what were your EGT's ?

do you have a EGT gauge?


you just got done posting you needed help tuning your DD mpi car. To me, a poorly tuned car being  driven is more to blame. I have the same manifold but have yet to run my car. But mine is coated and will be heat cylced.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:13 PM

Word! I just bought a header off of a member on here. I didn't want to do all that, t3/t04e,innovate wideband, and safc neo here I come!!! Lol
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:15 PM

View PoststarquestJOE, on 01 September 2011 - 09:12 PM, said:

before you go giving him a bad name, couple question.

why didnt you get it coated?

did you heat clyce it before hard boosting?

what were your EGT's ?

do you have a EGT gauge?


you just got done posting you needed help tuning your DD mpi car. To me, a poorly tuned car being  driven is more to blame. I have the same manifold but have yet to run my car. But mine is coated and will be heat cylced.
If it needs "heat cycled" and coated, sounds like it should have come with a disclaimer that states that. younquestfan, you hear of this at all?

I was waiting to see the "down the road" results.

Edited by NotStock88, 02 September 2011 - 01:48 AM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:16 PM

View PoststarquestJOE, on 01 September 2011 - 09:12 PM, said:

before you go giving him a bad name, couple question.

why didnt you get it coated?

did you heat clyce it before hard boosting?

what were your EGT's ?

do you have a EGT gauge?


you just got done posting you needed help tuning your DD mpi car. To me, a poorly tuned car being  driven is more to blame. I have the same manifold but have yet to run my car. But mine is coated and will be heat cylced.

Did not heat cycle it. BUT, I only ran 5 psi to start out with untill the second time it cracked. My tune is not too lean in any way. It just needs a good fine tuning

I do not have an EGT gauge

Manifold never glowed red just to throw that out there

You run yours a good while and then come back and post. If you dont have any problems then I will admit that coating and maybe a better tune should have been in order.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:17 PM

View PostNotStock88, on 01 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:

If it needs "heat cycled" and coated, sounds like it should have come with a disclaimer that states that. younquestfan, you hear of this at all? It doesnt matter how you spin it, crap material is crap material.

I was waiting to see the "down the road" results.

This is the same thing I was thinking. He was just selling them with no strict instruction to have it coated. The material used is crap, simple as that.

I did not hear any kind of special "instructions" when I bought it. Usually stuff like that will at least come with a paper with instructions like Burton does.

Edited by YoungQuestFan, 01 September 2011 - 09:19 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:21 PM

i was one of the first people to get one, and was told to do both. crap steel or not, a poor tune with no way of knowing how hot the manifold was getting will kill any tube manifold.  steel dont GLOW red hot like cast

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:22 PM

View PostYoungQuestFan, on 01 September 2011 - 09:16 PM, said:


I do not have an EGT gauge

Manifold never glowed red just to throw that out there

You run yours a good while and then come back and post. If you dont have any problems then I will admit that coating and maybe a better tune should have been in order.

Vote #2 - run it for awhile and post back.

Edited by NotStock88, 01 September 2011 - 09:22 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:25 PM

View PoststarquestJOE, on 01 September 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

i was one of the first people to get one, and was told to do both. crap steel or not, a poor tune with no way of knowing how hot the manifold was getting will kill any tube manifold.  steel dont GLOW red hot like cast
heat cycling is for painted, or ceramic headers - should not matter on a non-painted or non-ceramic header

Edited by NotStock88, 01 September 2011 - 09:30 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:25 PM

View PoststarquestJOE, on 01 September 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

i was one of the first people to get one, and was told to do both. crap steel or not, a poor tune with no way of knowing how hot the manifold was getting will kill any tube manifold.  steel dont GLOW red hot like cast

My stainless steel log style manifold that maxboost87 made me used to GLOW red when hard boosting. It was stainless and lasted much MUCH longer than this mild steel manifold. The only reason the log manifold cracked is because I was boosting hard chasing down a kid who just tore through my buddy's neighborhood and then his front yard. The kid ran me off the road and I hit someone's culvert pipe going under their drive way. I jumped the car and got complete air and landed. Do you want pics?

EDIT: which is the whole reason I bought this SMB manifold.

Edited by YoungQuestFan, 01 September 2011 - 09:28 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:29 PM

If an EGT gauge was supposed to be used then an EGT sensor bung should have came welded in it already.

Edited by YoungQuestFan, 01 September 2011 - 09:29 PM.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:37 PM

if mine crackes ill jump on your banned wagon

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:38 PM

Not enough miles on this header to do what it did! Period! Heat cycled or not....crap metal!
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