302swap, help please

[Hit_N_Run-player]

Ok, my G54 has just took a s*** on me, and i swore to swap a 302 if the motor ever went out. So now im here.

 

Im very interested, and had a few questions..

 

What was done with wiring system? Id like to go EFI if i could

 

What was done to the guage cluster to adapt onto a 302?

 

Did the swappers have a driveshaft made? Any problems here?

 

Anyone find any headers that clear?

 

Any overall problems with the swap?

 

Thanks a bunch

[emagdnim]

You can have a fully built 4G63/G54B and MPI for what your going to spend.

[IntercooledFlatty]

pm star v8 quest :wink:

[Hit_N_Run-player]

You can have a fully built 4G63/G54B and MPI for what your going to spend.

 

How is that? i would do the swap myself... Things that i wouldnt be able to fab would be the driveshaft, and headers. Motor mounts and fab work i can do. Electrical isnt a problem either.

[emagdnim]

Then why add 4 more pistons to the mix?

 

Stick with the mitsu motors man, it will be much easier for you in the long run.

[Star_V8_Quest]

if you can do the work yourself,a mpi car will never get you the bang the 302 will for the money.I don't care what anyone says,put the largest HP 4 banger on here and tell me what you spent.I bet for less than 5K you can get more power and have a car that will be dependable.You can get crate engines from summit then add afr heads and doa cam swap...add a nice intake and carb hooked up with a good set of headers and dyno it.

This will get you started

http://www.kabamus.com/garage/motorswap/invent.html

and lets not fogget you can also turbo or NOS the engine :wink:

[TSI_SVT]

I agree with everything star_v8_quest said plus if you do a clean enough swap, regardless of the power output, people won't stop drooling over it.

[emagdnim]

if you can do the work yourself,a mpi car will never get you the bang the 302 will for the money.I don't care what anyone says,put the largest HP 4 banger on here and tell me what you spent.I bet for less than 5K you can get more power and have a car that will be dependable.You can get crate engines from summit then add afr heads and doa cam swap...add a nice intake and carb hooked up with a good set of headers and dyno it.

This will get you started

http://www.kabamus.com/garage/motorswap/invent.html

and lets not fogget you can also turbo or NOS the engine :wink:

 

How much you wanna bet?

[Roush]

if you can do the work yourself,a mpi car will never get you the bang the 302 will for the money.I don't care what anyone says,put the largest HP 4 banger on here and tell me what you spent.I bet for less than 5K you can get more power and have a car that will be dependable.You can get crate engines from summit then add afr heads and doa cam swap...add a nice intake and carb hooked up with a good set of headers and dyno it.

This will get you started

http://www.kabamus.com/garage/motorswap/invent.html

and lets not fogget you can also turbo or NOS the engine :wink:

 

How much you wanna bet?

 

Before you bet, remember he said dependable. Also the power per money spent issue easily goes to the 302.

[emagdnim]

You wanna bet too?

[Roush]

You wanna bet too?

 

Sure, an MPI setup alone costs upwards of 2k+, unless you're a really good fabricator.

[emagdnim]

You wanna bet too?

 

Sure, an MPI setup alone costs upwards of 2k+, unless you're a really good fabricator.

 

He said any 4 cylinder.

[Roush]

You wanna bet too?

 

Sure, an MPI setup alone costs upwards of 2k+, unless you're a really good fabricator.

 

He said any 4 cylinder.

 

I thought it was G54B vs. 302

[Star_V8_Quest]

You wanna bet too?

 

Sure, an MPI setup alone costs upwards of 2k+, unless you're a really good fabricator.

 

He said any 4 cylinder.

you didn't read my post did you :wink:

 

I don't care what anyone says,put the largest HP 4 banger on here and tell me what you spent.

Look in the for sale section and add up that guys parts for an MPI conversion.No way you will ever convince me or sway me that I cannot get a v8..esp a 302 or 350 chevy engine over the 350-400 hp mark for what the conversion alone costs.Now,you can throw that on an engine...one that is stock and hope to god that 20+ year old engine will take it.Now,if you add in a rebuild for the engine,you start to get upwards in the ole casholla department.Now you have to tune this...and that.

$1500 to 2k from summit and you have 300HP right out of the box.Since we are talking baout MPI conversion and most are used pieces from somewher overseas,let's say I find some good used heads for either v8 engine....$800 maybe and throw on that crate engine.Add cam($200),Intake($200),headers($150),and for good measure....misc stuff at another $500.

now,for less that 4k,I have a potential 350-450 HP engine.All I need is a POS 3 speed tranny to mount it all together.

At 4k,you are nowhere near 400 HP(dependable) on that G54b.

Let's now forget that with another 1k left to spend,you can add a nitrous system.

if you really want to throw down some serious cash,add a turbo.

This is a friends Mustang with the stock cast iron heads

 

 

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/SteedaChaos/tune-00z.jpg

 

Still wanna bet?

[Star_V8_Quest]

I will say that if i ever wanted to make a 4cyl engine make serious HP,I would build a 4G63B.

Not dissing everyones car on here but being realistic.These cars are fast with what you have to work with which is limited.But this was a topic for a 302 swap...sooooooo...I am biased

[Star_V8_Quest]

and to answer the above questions:

What was done with wiring system? Id like to go EFI if i could

 

What was done to the guage cluster to adapt onto a 302?

 

Did the swappers have a driveshaft made? Any problems here?

 

Anyone find any headers that clear?

 

Any overall problems with the swap?

I am not EFi but I would assume with the number of 302 EFI cars on here,someone could tell you how they did theirs.

Gauge cluster....well...no way i would make the stock one try and work.It isn't good enough to monitor the 4 banger much less a v8.I would go with some decent gauges.

My driveshaft is 20 inches long.I am sure most with swapped engines have custom driveshafts based on the length thet each needed.

Headers....wow....mine are little ole shorty style header but i kinda suspect aftermarket ones will fit with some "massaging".

Mine has been on the road for 5 years...other than a busted gas line and fixing my alt problems,I drive it daily.My wife and i have went to the beach 3 weekend out of the last 4 and the trip is 120 miles each way.I have 52k on it since it was built.

[emagdnim]

Dear Mustang lovers:

 

Not to be mean or point out the completely obvious.... but why didn't you just buy a fox body (you know, the SAME style car) and brag on the mustang boards all day?

 

I mean...this is a turbo Mitsubishi club, and half the cars here can beat up on your foxibshi all day...

 

Who cares about money when your serious about going fast? I'd rather do it with my import and not have to buy 8 forged pistons and rods every time I crack a 302 block every month.

 

I worked for both company's, the mustangs keep coming back every month to be fixed, (just a little intake and exhaust on most of them) I've never EVER seen that at Mitsu. (yes, the 500whp stock block Evo's came back once or twice for clutches)

 

I wanna see your stock block make as much HP as ours can on each cylinder and nothing happen to it.

 

 

Sincerely

 

Your local Mistu for life supporter. :wink:

[Roush]

Dear Mustang lovers:

Not to be mean or point out the completely obvious.... but why didn't you just buy a fox body

 

Because the Quest is more unique and it looks better imo.

[emagdnim]

Dear Mustang lovers:

Not to be mean or point out the completely obvious.... but why didn't you just buy a fox body

 

Because the Quest is more unique and it looks better imo.

 

imagine that.

[Crazy larry]

You have issues Imagine that 8)

[Hit_N_Run-player]

i like my SQ, its just getting old having to fix the car all the time.

 

If i went with an MPI setup, i think it would make me like it alot more. But right now i just hate farging with this stupid ISC/TPS. Ive pretty much had to rewire an entire wiring harness because of all the corrosion and such, which i believe is mostly caused by 1)being older car 2)all the heat in the engine bay

 

Im going to attempt to fix my G54 for now. But i might end up getting a roller, gutting it, and swapping a 302 because i love the look of a SQ. But sometimes you cant beat a nice v8. A friend of mine has a foxbody, mild mods but stock internal. He rev's this thing to 7k, races the s*** outta it, and puts alot of mines on...guess what, it never breaks either. I dont care how good of a mechanic you are, 75% of the starion owners on here cant even attempt to argue that. Im not saying there arent cases of a reliable SQ, but you'll end up replacing everything in the car if your not going for stock before you get to a somewhat reliable car.

 

Another thing, how can you argue with the price of parts for a 302? get real if you think parts for a SQ even come relative in price.

 

For now, ill attempt the G54 and see what i can do.

[Star_V8_Quest]

haha,this is turning out like the other 302 swap threads.

to each their own,but they are how mnay ford and mustang mags out there with cars having how much power? how any mags you see with 500HP mitsu engines?

and i guess if money is out of the question on how fats you want to go....I have yet to see a funny car with a 4cyl have 3000 HP :roll: You want to talk about HP to HP per cylinder.Come on. :shock:

you keep buying those 4 pistons ata tie and keep adding that cost up :wink:

and why didn't I buy a mustang?I have owned a few and I had owned one of these new back in the day.When i was getting rid of the 3000GT I had and offered it up for sale or trade,I was looking at a good stock Starquest.When i ran across this one,it fit exactly what i wanted.The looks ofa newer car with the odern conveniences and also had the powertrain of something that was easily worked on and fixed.basically it is an old school hot rod wrapped up in this nice little body style.

[KrazedZ]

I mean...this is a turbo Mitsubishi club' date=' and half the cars here can beat up on your foxibshi all day...

 

Who cares about money when your serious about going fast? I'd rather do it with my import and not have to buy 8 forged pistons and rods every time I crack a 302 block every month.

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Your alittle off on your thinking.

Granted, its cool to tweak up little 4 cyl’s and buzz around town with, but if you want to make dependable power, without spending 20k or more, stepping up to a chevy v8 or even ford v8 is the way to go. The ford blocks are on the weak side so going chevy is you best bet, factory blocks are capable of holding more then 1000 hp.

 

Your concern with buying 8 pistons rather then 4, well its actually cheaper buying chevy and ford parts, there is also more available, more cams, more heads and intakes.

If your into turbos, its just as easy to turbo a 4 cyl as it is to turbo a v8 and the price is about the same too.

Turbo charging a v8 is a no-brainer for 800hp and you would be surprised how easy it is to hit and surpass the 1000hp mark.

Not to mention some of the GM transmissions, the th400 or powerglide, put one of those in the car and forget about it, it will last for years.

Here you go, a small block chevy powered starion, how many on the board can do this?

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/krazedz/V8SQ1.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/krazedz/V8SQ2.jpg

[TSI_SVT]

Do it because it just looks right. Example below. I think it is the best of both worlds. I don't care what some peoples opinions are.

http://www.amsperformance.com/album/albums/AMSSwapmeet567/AMS_swapmeet07_049.jpg

[emagdnim]

This thread is worthless.

 

/Yawn.

 

I want to see timeslips of these swaps.