Caliber308, on 18 April 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:
True.A lot of the members who have their cars lowered might buy one of these. So, what it going to happen if they install a splitter on the bottom of the Air dam.... just for looks. Maybe Burton will start making 88/89 Air dams, and offer a 25% discount on them to members who have lowered cars that install his Splitter? I can see it now....The first time members who installed it with a lowered car and try to go up a steep driveway, hit a pothole, drive over a dip in the road, drive over a speed bump or pull up too fast to a curb stop, will have to replace the entire Air dam at a price of $300.00. Why? Because the splitter is bolted directly to the Air dam, sticks out farther and will tear the hell out of the Air dam. But, it sure looked good prior to doing this
Funny, when I had a splitter I hit a steep driveway, hit a pothole, drove over dips in the road, drove over speed bumps or pulled up too fast to a curb stop, and while the splitter got scaped up a little, the airdam remained damage free. Maybe I was just lucky tho. Look, if you hit anything hard, splitter or not, you're going to ruin your airdam. If you bump a parking curb or a road dip at 30 MPH, there isn't a splitter or anything else that will save your airdam. If you do the same thing at 5-10 MPH, you might damage the airdam without a splitter, but with a splitter your airdam will be protected better.
I don't "hate" Burton or his splitter even though he called me and other members "haters" that posted a differing view about his offering.
Would you say you "like" or "hate" the look of the splitter. From what you said here and in previous posts it sounds to me like you hate it, and therefore, you would be a hater.
Everything has it's proper place. Cars that have a splitter installed on them are lowered and race around a flat race track at high speeds with the Splitter installed within 1 or 2 inches of the ground: (NASCAR,ALMS and Grand Am cars for example).Why would you want to install a splitter on a stock height Starquest? Or for that matter a lowered one??? I just don't think it is practical or astatically reasonable for street use on our cars. Just for looks
And looks are the main reason I'm offering these, I've said that many times. Look at all the other imports with big rear spoilers, ground effects kits, and all the other bolt on stuff that originated for race car performance, but now get used more for a certain look, not performance. People want their cars to look more aggressive or different from everyone elses car. I never claimed these added performance , and have only listed my experience with when I've had them on my own cars. I have been truthful and open about this whole process, and am only trying to help provide quality parts that some members deffinately want- otherwise they wouldn't sell. People in this community complain there aren't enough vendors or aftermarket parts for these cars, so I'm just trying to fill that void.
When you posted that you would create anything for money to sell your products to the membership on Starquestclub.com or anywhere else...That is where members and guests on this site that are reading your posts, (some with years of knowledge about Starquests), lost their creditably in you
This sort of negativity is what has driven away other possible vendors in the past who didn't care about the cars, only the profit. While I do love to make a profit, I don't make much doing parts for these cars. It equates to about $15/hr for my time, which is $5 less an hour than my normal shop rate. I could be out painting show cars and making more money but I care about these cars and the community, and that's why I stay and continue to try to come up with quality products people want at a price a majority of the community can afford. If that takes away my credibility, then so be it. I offer parts for other types of cars and have yet to hear a single negative thing from them. If y'all don't want my offerings, I'm more than happy to concentrate my time making parts for those cars, and probably be able to make more money too.
"You can fool some of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time"
If anyone other than Bill thinks I am, or ever have been trying to "fool" anyone, plese speak up now. I consider myself an upstanding, truthful and fair vendor. If any of y'all other than Bill think otherwise, please speak up now.
To the membership: Over the past ten years of being a member on Starquestclub.com, I have tried to stay out of things like this. But, when I feel that a new product offered by a company or a member on this site does nothing more than to take your money. I will speak up.
Anyone else feel like I'm just here to take your money? Again, let me know. I'll be happy to take my products elsewhere. I'm here to provide quality parts for a fair price to help me make a living. In fact, many of my products are similar to other products available, because the other products were way more expensive than I think they should have been and I could offer something similar for less. I am here to try and help people out, not rip them off.
I am not a cold hearted SOB. Just ask all of the members who attended Mesquite 2011.Never lied to them, and I am not lieing now.
Just mine, and others opinion about this offering,
Personally, I think you are a cold-hearted SOB, well, at least a SOB. You and I have always had our run ins, and I kinda hoped when we saw you come back to the sites you were banned from with your new "kinder, gentler" Cal, that you would be a changed man. I didn't hold my breath, and I'm glad because you obviously can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Aside from all the BS....
The materials are here and I have started cutting some, but I got a chance opprotunity this week that I had to jump on. I got a call to collaborate on the paint/body on a Hot Rod Power Tour car that a friend has a tight deadline on. That has added about 7 hours a day on top of my part-time RV gig and my internet sales, so I didn't get to work on them much at all this week. I do have the whole weekend open tho, so I will be finishing them then and should have pics up by the end of the weekend.
Not sure if I will carry this on much tho now. I will at least make the flatty splitter and 2 88/89 splitters I'm commited to, but from there, I'm not sure. Frankly, Cal's comments totally killed my motivation on this product, so I may just not bother after that.