89BananaQuest Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Ok, not sure if this is the right place for this but its gonna be my build thread/restoration thread. Im currently in the middle of pulling the engine and trans out of my banana. Im going to be replacing the frame rails, swaping to a manual, head studs and new gaskets, wire tuck, and paint the engine bay. Im also going to be swapping my dash out since the previous owner decided it would be cool to drill three holes in it to mount gauges. Im getting a five speed parts car. Im also going to swap the dash harness since the previous owner hacked it up when installing the gauges. I have already taken the hood, fenders, header panel, radiator, intercooler, head, intake, turbo and manifold, and a few other things off of the car. I plan to pull the block and auto trans out some time this week. When i bought the car the kid told me it was mildly built engine.... I never really believed him tho, because it ran like hell. But i put new injector clips, 02 sensor, 3 inch turbo back straight pipe, cleaned the k&n filter, shift linkage bushings on the trans, new plugs wires and dizze vacume advance along with an msd coil and rebuilt the tb. And the car actually ran very well. Once i fixxed all the lil stuff. Well saturday after noon i decided to start getting the banana naked and ready. Well i took a bunch of pics so i'll post them in here also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/5f01d621.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/f29e7dcf.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/85786c20.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/b2d27fd4.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/d93c6298.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/5623810e.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/8aa17c82.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/077f8587.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/fffcde60.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/77e3f98e.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/1cc0b2c2.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/61294d8c.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/2c2ce95e.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/57c73d3e.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/82b768b3.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/68aa8dd8.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/e7901727.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/9ff4e483.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/719872fc.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 And this is what she looked like befor http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/1309151127.jpgOther then the wheels are no longer black they are working on getting polished slowly,lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 He wasn't totally lying to you about the mildly built motor ... those pistons should have markings on top of them if they are stock, and they don't, meaning you have aftermarket pistions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Yea, i have another thread posted also trying to see if anu one can identify them or tell me how to find out what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Unfortunatley you'd probably have to take them out and look at markings on the sides. If the car was running strong and you had good compression, like you said before you started this, I wouldn't pull them. I'd just leave them alone. Nice car BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convette Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 if you pull the pan, you should be able to see what they are on the underside. Thats where mine were stamped (JE's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Ok. Thanx for the heads up. I'll pull the pan and if i cant tell i guess i'll just leave it alone and just build the block that i'll be pullin from the parts car. So i have a question for you guys. Witch head should i use? The hydralic one that was on the car, or rebuild the mech. one that i have in my garage? I have all the parts to rebuild it already so its not a big deal to swap it. I do plan to add a cam this summer once its back together, or while i have it apart idk yet. I wanna run a big cam, i know it wont perform good but i kinda want the sound, lol. I want a nice lobey idle. I was watching the video's online of cammed starquest and i know the hks sounds amazing but i also know its impossible to find. What would u guys recomend? I do also plan to go mpi and hx35 in the next year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I'd use the head that appears the newest and I'd guess that's the one on the engine now, or was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 They are actually both pretty clean. The one on the car is a lil more. But im able to use a hot take so really beign clean isnt a big deal to me, cause i get get it clean. Just had read some where that people say the mechanicle head is better when u use a cam or what ever. So i wanst sure. Also any pointers on what kinda cam to go with? I want something that will perform good but still have a nice lobey idle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 4cyl engines at least with a stock ecu won't idle like that. Even with all the cams I've tried I can't tell any difference in idle other than the rpms you have to correct. The heads are the same, its just the rocker arms and if it has hydraulic rocker arms it needs the shafts with the holes in them to feed oil out through those holes in the rocker leading lead to the lifter. One you have to adjust and listen to the other you don't. The cams are meant to be the same as fas as stock goes. Best spent money is on OS valves and HD springs. A V8 that sounds like that is because its about to die and the rpms are very low like 350. These engines idle at 800 rpms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I would be happy if i could get it to sound like this Or this one I'll look into hd valve springs and over sized vales. If i dont do them while its apart it will prolly be next winter when i do them. I plan to slowly build it as much as i can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Ok guys so the cylinders are 90mm. Any one know what the stock is? Trying to figure out if and how much it was bored over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Ok guys got some more questions! Cam and turbo this time. http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/cebdc05a.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/554f3dcc.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/2b7ae252.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/76cc9499.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/2f002295.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/70a7dfee.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/151103de.jpghttp://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r120/mattwallace6/4916b2d9.jpg Turbo has 14 blades total. 7 longer ones and 7 shorter ones. Also i'll be getting the parts car on saturday. And an engine stand. As long as the weather is nice enough on sunday i plan to pull my motor and trans and get the engine on the stand. Does any one know where i can find the thread thats the how to for replacing/repairing the frame rails? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesfer Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Stock cam and stock turbo (housing is stock at least, could be different inside) You still have jet valves, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riceboyler Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Newbie question: were the TD and A that are missing (on the turbo compressor housing) typically not cast in the housing? I've never seen that before, and honestly it looks really strange. Edited February 15, 2012 by riceboyler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yea, that was my questioning on the turbo is the td and the a are missing. And the cam i had read that the stock ones had a stamped letter on the front as to were mine is smooth? Thats why i was a little confused about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesfer Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Just went out and checked the stock 12a I have sitting around and it is identical to yours You'll have to wait for someone more experienced than I to comment further on the cam Edited February 16, 2012 by leesfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 You're lucky it says 05-12 and some places if they enlarge it for a different wheel they will grind off the 2 and some won't not that it means anything. No, that's stock that's all they ever had on them. That cam is aftermarket, those numbers only mean something to the maker and nobody ever bothered to decode or compare those. It could be a regrind too because they use old cams for that and as mentioned usually stamp or engrave on the back end. The stock cam had an A or a 6 on it depending on if it was A for auto lasher adjuster (hydraulic) or 6 for mechanical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Ok. I thought they where stamped on the front end. Any specail way to take the cam out then? Or just take off the rocker arm assemblies or what? I'll pull it out today and see what it says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Ok guys finally got the parts car and its supposed to be in the 50's wensday and thursday so hopefully I'll be able to get some work done on the banana after i get off work, but no promises. I also have picked up an safc-2 that will be going into my car. Got it for 100$. Couldnt pass it up at that price. My parts car has an aftermarket grant steering wheel that i think is also going to find its way into my car. Now i do have a few questions for you guys. My car is an 89 but for some reason has 4 bolt axles in the rear. The parts car how ever has six bolt rear end in it. Whats the difference in the two? Are the 4 bolt axles weaker? Cause i know u cant get 6 bolt axles but u can still find remaned 4 bolt axles. This makes me kinda want to just keep the 4 bolt rear end. Next question is whats the easiest way to get the block and trans out? As one peice or pull the block then pull the trans? Next. I know i'll be able to get rid of the trans cooler since im swapping to five speed, but can i move the oil cooler down to where the stock trans cooler is/was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 No one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesfer Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I can't comment on the other things, but I think the general consensus here is that pulling the motor is easier without the trans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89BananaQuest Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Ok, guys got the motor out today. And the oil pan off. Is there supposed to be something that bolts to the block inside of the oil pan? It looks like there should be something by rods number 2 and 3. But theres nothing there? I'll get pics tomorrow. Im pretty sure the bottom end has been balanced also. I'll get pics tommorrow to explain more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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