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So my old TD05/18G was on its last legs, it served me well but was obviously messed up and having trouble making boost, and smoking from the rear section. Prior to the 18G I had a Super16G that I liked a lot more, so I decided to go back to that. I have a pile of cores and remembered the deal mentioned on here about a year back about a shop in FLA called Mike Turbo.

 

Mike Turbo have deals on Mitsu rebuilds/upgrades running around $450 for a TD05/Super 16G upgrade. A guy named Hong worked with me and was very knowledgeable and professional. I bit the bullet and sent a core out for upgrade. I splurged and added the TD05H exhaust wheel upgrade, requiring machining out the rear section to fit the bigger wheel in there. Total cost was about $600 for everything including the upgrade, still pretty cheap.

 

 

Turbo came back super clean, media blasted. Only my brand new 14G looked this good when I got it.

http://waste-nj.com/d2/super16/s16whole.jpg

 

TD05H wheel stuffed in there...

http://waste-nj.com/d2/super16/s16exh.jpg

 

Super 16G Compressr wheel in machined housing...

http://waste-nj.com/d2/super16/s16inlet.jpg

 

A better look at the machined out exhaust side...

http://waste-nj.com/d2/super16/s16exhclose.jpg

 

Side by side with the TD05/18G, the difference in the ehaust wheels is obvious! The outlet is about a 1/2"-3/4" inch bigger than the regular TD05. If you want an exact measurement, the OEM metal downpipe gasket that is bigger than the stock ehaust outlet, is the exact same size as the TD05H outlet.

http://waste-nj.com/d2/super16/s16pair.jpg

 

 

So once I got in installed, the car was night and day from before. The car's personality is more raucous, instead of building up gradually and peaking around 5K, the car makes boost more violently and doesn't want to stop pulling at 5K. The blow off valve sounds like I blew a hose off, the inertia that this turbo carries when you spool it up just makes the regular TD05 exh wheel feel undersized when matched with a 18G or Super16G front wheel. I highly recommend the TD05H wheel, and Mike Turbo Inc. BTW, The car has mechanical lifters and a stck mech cam.

 

http://www.miketurboinc.com/

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you sure thats a 05h? my old 14g with a 05h wheel wasnt the same as the gasket, still a little smaller, however my td06h was the same size as the gasket

if you get the chance measure the inducer on the hotside turbine, i got a junk 06h wheel here i can measure. it would definitely explain your pulling above 5k lol, mine was still pulling above 6k

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you sure thats a 05h?

 

Pretty sure! It's exactly what I ordered. Look below, the TD06H wheel is on top, the TD05H is on the bottom. I don't think you can fit the TD06H in the Starion exhaust housing without making it too thin and weak.

http://www.turbochargers.com/store/images/twtd06.JPG

 

http://www.turbochargers.com/store/images/twtd05h.JPG

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my exhaust wheel is likely an 05h. It has the same blade type as the one on the left but the "hole" is much smaller, more similar to the one on the right.

 

If i were you i might investigate it being an actual 06 or 06h

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my old td06h

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a381/skullzaflare/IMG_6459-1.jpg

The stock housing cannot be machined to fit a 06H turbine.

hate to say, but this picture proves you wrong

it is infact a td06h wheel, and it is infact inside a machined starion housing, and it is infact still running

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td06 vs td05

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/td06006.jpg/

i dont feel like resizing, this is the td06h of mine (well ronniej now)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a381/skullzaflare/IMG_6460.jpg

it was about 59/67mm, machine shop found out his machine hates hotsides btw

 

 

td05h is 49.2/56

td05 is 47.5/56

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I just spoke with Mike at Blouch turbo. The 06h is to big for the starquest exhaust housing. Premature failure from cracking in the thin areas is the issue. It is also to big for oem dsm exhaust housings from what i have read on the dsm sites.

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Ill vouch for Mike Turbo. They're local to me & Those are the only people I go to. Hong is a brain for turbos. He built my current turbo as well as the one going in next Saturday.

 

They can be a bit slow at times, but theyre end products have never failed to amaze.

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Ill vouch for Mike Turbo. They're local to me & Those are the only people I go to. Hong is a brain for turbos. He built my current turbo as well as the one going in next Saturday.

 

They can be a bit slow at times, but theyre end products have never failed to amaze.

 

You took the words right out of my mouth. They were a litle busy, but they really knew what they were talking about. The pricing was unmatched. Good to know I'm not alone.

 

 

The stock housing cannot be machined to fit a 06H turbine.

 

This is my understanding as well, DSM guys proved it. The housing becomes too weak internally. Thanks D.

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You took the words right out of my mouth. They were a litle busy, but they really knew what they were talking about. The pricing was unmatched. Good to know I'm not alone.

 

 

 

 

This is my understanding as well, DSM guys proved it. The housing becomes too weak internally. Thanks D.

well i had the one in a million hot side then, never cracked from stress. granted i make sure i control my fuel enough to never see the hotside glow either

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AS far as the TD05H / TD06H, mine is a TD05H. The outlet is similar size apparrently but the 06H wheel is fatter, although the blades look the same through the rear.. Hey, there are all types of combinations out there so if what you have is working for you, it's all good in the hood. I figured I'd try this out, it's working out well.... haha

 

Now I need a real EVC to control the 5 PSI boost spike I get when I mash it down! Errr.

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AS far as the TD05H / TD06H, mine is a TD05H. The outlet is similar size apparrently but the 06H wheel is fatter, although the blades look the same through the rear.. Hey, there are all types of combinations out there so if what you have is working for you, it's all good in the hood. I figured I'd try this out, it's working out well.... haha

 

Now I need a real EVC to control the 5 PSI boost spike I get when I mash it down! Errr.

i had this with the 20g. pull the plate off where the wastegate lives, move the flapper open, and port that hole open more, it solves that. i found that i had a rubber dremel bit that sandpaper wraps around that was literally a exact fit of the oem hole, and i ported it out to about 1.5mm from the edge of the flap door

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http://waste-nj.com/d2/super16/s16pair.jpg

 

 

It looks like an 06 to me also, it looks like the nut and hub is bigger. That is how my 06 is. Your old turbo looks like it was clipped. Pictures can be deceiving though. If it is an 06, that is an error in you favor. LOL Next time it is off maybe measure it?

 

Here is my 06 besides an 05.

 

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/2010%20Misc/DSC02751.jpg

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It looks like an 06 to me also, it looks like the nut and hub is bigger. That is how my 06 is. Your old turbo looks like it was clipped. Pictures can be deceiving though. If it is an 06, that is an error in you favor. LOL Next time it is off maybe measure it?

 

Here is my 06 besides an 05.

 

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/2010%20Misc/DSC02751.jpg

thats what i was saying lol, all the 05h wheels ive ever had, are barely to big to fit in a td05 hotside, td06h no where near close to fitting lol

What are you using for boost control? My profect 2 b works pretty good. I never had a mbc that did not spike.

mine spiked and then creept. not sure on his case yet

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What are you using for boost control? My profect 2 b works pretty good. I never had a mbc that did not spike.

 

Basic Joe's MBC, ball bearing type. I wish I had a Profec, they're spendy though. With this stuff I guess you have to fork over the cash though to get dialed in.

 

i had this with the 20g. pull the plate off where the wastegate lives, move the flapper open, and port that hole open more, it solves that. i found that i had a rubber dremel bit that sandpaper wraps around that was literally a exact fit of the oem hole, and i ported it out to about 1.5mm from the edge of the flap door

 

I almost ported the WG housing but got lazy after porting the compressor outlet and just bolted it in. Dammit, LOL. I guess I really do need an EVC though. When I first hooked the turbo up I put the WG vac line on the wrong port, and the car was straight BEAST but I quickly found out why. That little MBC is always bleeding, robbing response. I need a real EVC that acts like it's not there, but just stops the boost before spiking. I need something that learns the boost curve. Guess I'm gonna have to spend that $400, or roll the dice on a used HKS EVC or Greddy ProFec off eBay. LOL.

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