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Trying to crank rebuild for first time...Wont stay idling


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Rebuilt engine and primed oil pump through plug. That worked perfect. Now, I have fuel, spark, and timing is correct. Car will start and idle for a few seconds and then die. Trying to give it gas doesnt work and it will still die.

 

What are my list of things I need to check.

 

Car is 1988.

 

I have NEW:

-spark plugs

-fuel pump

-plug wires

-ignition coil

-etc

 

I do have 3.5" MAF w/ MAFT installed (no telling what the settings are) if this has anything to do with car not idling...

 

If someone could give me a rundown or a list of things to start checking, I would be most grateful. Thanks guys.

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Double and triple check your timing along with maybe a compression check. If you have fuel, spark, timing, and compression it should run even if poorly. Also if you have the ability to switch back to a stock mas at least temporarily I'd do that as well just to eliminate another issue.

 

Allen

 

EDIT: Another thought, check all the small basic things like firing order... Hey you never know lol.

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injectors most likely. after rebuild mine... it ran really bad too. I replaced them and ran great. evidently from sitting for a year they will dry up and stick oper or closed.... mine was flooding out. It could be a simple vacuum leak too.
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Has brand new 650/950 injectors and new injector clips..I replaced all this also..Well, the car has been sitting for about 4yrs also after I rebuilt engine...So all these new parts were put together and has been sitting for a while... Just got back into this car.

 

Vacuum is possible...There are so many..Where do I check first? Any vacuum nipples were plugged that I saw open...

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Who knows what the settings are? Dude look up the mafy user manual on full throttle add those injectors together dive by 4 put to that size to start, set to 1g make sure dip switches are right

 

Where can I download the manual? I have the MAFT generation 1.....version 2.02....

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  • 2 weeks later...

Ok guys...Had a day to work on car again...Still not wanting to crank up...You guys told me to check the main 4 things here:::

 

Spark- I have spark on all 4 plugs, and have new plugs&wires

 

Compression- I have compression on all 4 cylinders - 1-160, 3-155, 4-150, 2-150

 

Fuel- I have new 650/950 Injectors and new clips...(injectors were bought from Brian @ Lower Shores 4 years ago) (these cant go bad sitting never used???)-cylinders are getting gas because it is popping and spitting pretty loud when trying to turn over, so its burning gas? Could they be flooding even thought they are new but been sitting in rebuilt engine for 4 years? How do I check to see if they are flooding?

 

Timing- Ok, when crank is at TDC, my cam gear dowel is at 12oclock and the timing mark on cam gear was at 3oclock with the plated link lined up right...distributor cap was removed and rotor set to plug #1......Everything sound right?

 

---My one question, when this timing was set up as mentioned above ^, on cylinder 1, both cam lobes were pointing down, so Im assuming valves were closed on cylinder 1? Is this correct?

 

Help me guys. Im lost here as I think I have everything set up right....

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cyl 1 cam lobes should be up for valves to be closed...I think you are 180 degrees off...valves are open that's why it back fires!!!!!! can u post up pics so we can see whats going on.???? put on # 1 CYL and timing on 10 degrees Btdc..take close up pics off #1 lifters ,,So we can see if its right!!!
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I still think the distributor is off when installed on the head.

Post a pic of the timing marks on the distributor with the crank at TDC,cam dowel pin at 12:00 and distributor adjustment bolt at the center of the adjustment hole.

 

Jerry L.

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cyl 1 cam lobes should be up for valves to be closed...I think you are 180 degrees off...valves are open that's why it back fires!!!!!! can u post up pics so we can see whats going on.???? put on # 1 CYL and timing on 10 degrees Btdc..take close up pics off #1 lifters ,,So we can see if its right!!!

 

Crap. Well this would be my problem. While on TDC on crank and dowel at 12, The lobes are down and the rocker arm is on the rounded part of cam on cyl #1. I'll take pics Friday and post. Thanks guys so much for helping me.

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If you're at TDC at the crank and the cam dowel is a at 12:00,then everything should be lined up properly(cam and rocker assembly is fine).

 

Jerry L.

 

Ill post pics Friday morning around 845am...Im on 3rd shift currently....Ill pop valve cover off and show you where lobes are pointed...

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Ok...Here we go:

 

Crank is at TDC:

 

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd461/Preludedude1/FullSizeRender.jpg

 

Cam Gear dowel is at 12oclock and timing mark at 3oclock

 

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd461/Preludedude1/IMG_3021.jpg

 

Cylinder 1 lobes are both pointed down:

 

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd461/Preludedude1/IMG_3022.jpg

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd461/Preludedude1/IMG_3025.jpg

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd461/Preludedude1/IMG_3024.jpg

 

Dizzy has rotor lined up on cylinder 1..Adjustment bolt is centered...I used a black marker on the spot where #1 spark plug is:

 

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd461/Preludedude1/IMG_3028.jpg

 

 

with everything at TDC...It looks like 1 & 2 lobes are pointed down , and 3 & 4 are mostly upwards....Is the camshaft correct?

 

With timing set up exactly like this, the car pops and backfires when trying to start..It sounds pretty bad...

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Think about this .....how can it back fire ...unless a intake valve is open???? it cant ....lifters have to fill up wih oil ....u said u just started a new engine...i think its timing.....u need to put #1 cyl on TDC and stick a straw in cyl # 1 spark plug hole and make sure u are not at bottom of stroke ..... 180 degrees off???....look at diss mark ...look at crank marks ...one tooth off on chain can mess timing all up...did u turn engine backwards ???if u did the chain can jump a tooth....more pics.. Edited by markhansenconquest
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Timing looks correct. any time crank is at TDC then 1 and 4 piston are at the top. cam determines if it's on exhaust stroke or not. both lobes down mean valves are closed. I suggest tryng stock maf to see if that changes. Edited by Dad
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