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#141 wrngwae

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 08:38 PM

Hey now. Lol

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:30 AM

Tye did you get your boost stall figured out?
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Posted 01 November 2014 - 10:50 AM

View PostNotStock88, on 01 November 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Tye did you get your boost stall figured out?

No!  He isn't happy happy happy bout that!  Lol
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Posted 31 March 2015 - 11:06 AM

All better now no more stall. Gets get this party started now.
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Posted 31 March 2015 - 02:14 PM

Got your latest .msq?

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 03:23 PM

Still final tuning then I will throw it up
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Posted 14 September 2015 - 09:26 PM

Looking for some advice here. This is a tune I had before when I was running stock compression:

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I am now running 8:1 Wiseco's and a 195 degree thermostat (versus the 180 degree that was in there beforehand). Those are the only changes from then to now but I know the CR is a pretty significant one so I'm asking what, if anything, you think I should do to these tables. I had to bump my required fuel up a point to make it idle smoothly in the 13:1 AFR range. Mods are as follows:

Wiseco 8:1 Pistons
TEP Street/Strip Cam
75# Injectors
Walbro 255 pump@62psi base pressure & Sard FPR
FIP Hurricane IM
2.25" Charge Piping
65mm TB
4" Thick IC
Full 3" straight-through exhaust
Tial 38mm EWG w/1 bar base pressure
Turbosmart Eboost2 boost controller
Treadstone exh. manifold
Turbonetics 11021-BB Turbo w/.82AR Hot side
NJV Head
3" inlet pipe w/conical filter
93 octane pump gas
OEM Mitsu PCV Valve
BMW X5 oil separator

Not sure what else you need to know about my setup to make any educated suggestions, if there's something I am leaving out please ask. Right now I just need a decent functional break-in tune. Not looking to run much if any boost at all during the next couple hundred miles but I just want to make sure I am not damaging anything with the AFR's and ignition tables. I took the car for a shakedown run today and it drove well. No odd popping or bucking or anything out of the ordinary but you gurus know better than I do if something is way out.

Thanks.

Edited by polarisman14, 14 September 2015 - 09:31 PM.

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 10:45 PM

wheres the spark table for while your loaded? That only shows for vac-atmo.Lots of wasted cells like that. Also your fuel map is missing a ton of stuff as well.

Why so much fuel pressure?

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 05:19 AM

Honestly I am new to the tuning thing and this is going off of an old tune from Scott that is NOT designed for this setup right now--that's why it may look a little off. Where do I go to find my other tables? I am using TunerStudio and just looked in the basic settings list to find these.

I totally forgot to put in what I was using for ignition control and I assume that's important:

Stock dizzy locked out w/CR125 pickup
MSD 6a ignition control box w/tach adapter
MSD blaster coil
NGK wires
Plugs gapped at .030"

There's so much fuel pressure because I am hoping to hit 400whp-ish on this setup and don't want to adjust base fuel pressure in the future to compensate--my understanding is that also requires essentially retuning if you do that. I was considering using 50psi for base pressure but don't know if that will be enough. Thinking my final boost pressure will be in the 20psi range--planning on adding meth injection in the spring when I have money for that and a real tune.

My last tune was based on 60psi pressure but that was with the stock fuel pump and I assume the fuel pressure was falling off on high rpms because it just couldn't keep up. I didn't change the fuel pressure but went from a dry to liquid filled gauge and it's reading 62psi at idle so that must just be the discrepancy between the gauges.

EDIT: Snooped around a bit more on TS and found the other maps under Extended.

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Edited by polarisman14, 15 September 2015 - 05:32 AM.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 02:14 PM

750's will do over 450whp at thier designed base pressure.
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Posted 15 September 2015 - 04:57 PM

The wallbro pumps are internally regulated at about 80 psi. So that limits your base pressure to the low 50's

Are you running table switching?
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Posted 15 September 2015 - 05:02 PM

OK. So I guess the first change I have to make is the base fuel pressure. What would you suggest? 50? I won't be running more than 25psi of boost and my turbo runs out of steam a little under 500 crank hp so more than 400-425whp isn't even an option. And I don't know if I am running switched tables or not--can you let me know where to look to find that out?

Edited by polarisman14, 15 September 2015 - 05:02 PM.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 05:13 PM

I would say 50-52 psi base.

In ms1 under fuel settings --fuel table selection--switch ve table 1 for ve table 3 when. Would be similar under spark.

Edit. Probably some thing similar under ??

If table 3 is not grayed out I would say table switching is on.

Edited by StarquestRescue, 15 September 2015 - 05:40 PM.

2012 fall set up 20g 06  in the stock turbine houseing. 2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  379hp 395 tq TBI Power

2012 spring set up. 18g06 in the stock turbine houseing.  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 358 hp 393 tq. 12.71 @ 112
2011 set up. 18g05h,  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 307 hp 360 tq  12.78 @ 112
2010 set up. 18g05h,  2G mas, Lsp 850 / 1400 injectors. Tuned with re flashed afc Neo version 1.104 and Innovated data logging.  297 hp 403 tq.


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Posted 15 September 2015 - 05:52 PM

Mine's MS2 v3.57 and I am running Tuner Studio (not MegaTune).

If I am dropping from 60 to 50psi base fuel pressure, what part(s) of what map(s) will I have to adjust in order to compensate? Phil, do you think 50psi is enough to hit my goal? (Impossible to know for sure but I'd just like a couple opinions before I change stuff around).

On TS I found under "Extended" a dialogue box called table switching and this shows fuel and ignition table switching on, greater than 100kpa. What does that mean for me? I assume that means at 100kpa it switches from VE table 1 or ignition table 1 to table 3 which is what has all the in-boost VE values, right?

Edited by polarisman14, 15 September 2015 - 05:54 PM.

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 07:05 PM

Ok, you are good on the table switching.

Step one, save tune as Old tune. Step two verified that you do in fact  have said old tune saved.

After you drop the pressure, increase required fuel till it starts and idles decently at the afr it did before. proceed cautiously from there. The ve is probably rich up top since you were likely compensating for dropping fuel pressure with a higher ve #. Modest boost could be way off.

Learn how use auto tune on your logs. Smooth out the weird stuff auto tune leaves in the ve. Fine tune manually.

Bear in mind i only know enough to be dangerous.

Edited by StarquestRescue, 15 September 2015 - 07:08 PM.

2012 fall set up 20g 06  in the stock turbine houseing. 2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  379hp 395 tq TBI Power

2012 spring set up. 18g06 in the stock turbine houseing.  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 358 hp 393 tq. 12.71 @ 112
2011 set up. 18g05h,  2g mas, Neo afc, Versafueler, 1050 / 2000 injectors on E85.  Innovated data logging. 307 hp 360 tq  12.78 @ 112
2010 set up. 18g05h,  2G mas, Lsp 850 / 1400 injectors. Tuned with re flashed afc Neo version 1.104 and Innovated data logging.  297 hp 403 tq.


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Posted 16 September 2015 - 05:32 AM

Yeah most people do, that's why we pay the professionals to tune most of the time lol...I have played with the VE analyze live that TS has integrated and will probably utilize the WUE live software as well. The car starts and runs well right now but I know I'll have to mess with it once I change the fuel pressure. It makes sense to me that you'd have to up required fuel if you drop fuel pressure to get the same flow rate through the injectors. I'm hoping with less fuel pressure it will give me better tuning resolution as each change in VE makes a smaller change in fuel injection (in my head).

I just didn't know if there was a rule of thumb for VE like every psi of fuel pressure dropped requires adding 2 to each VE table cell (or something like that). I save my tune every time with "save tune as" so I have one for every date...Probably 50 of them in my folder so I am good there. I'm gonna try to get back to my buddy's house Sunday to dial in the fueling at a lower fuel pressure rate. Anyone else agree that 50psi is a good starting point for 400whp on the 75# injectors and walbro 255 pump?

Phil, I had decided to leave the base pressure at 60psi initially based on using a HP calculator...So you're saying I can get by with as little as 3 bar for fuel pressure for my power goals? Lower base pressure is better in my mind, longer pump life etc...

I can see the VE values being off a bit because of the fueling--My issue now is knowing the difference in old spool vs new spool and compensating for that as the new compression ratio being a full point higher should hit full boost/spool up quicker than old CR, meaning fueling and ignition tables would have to be modified in that range. Let me know if my thinking is way off on this.

Edited by polarisman14, 16 September 2015 - 11:28 AM.

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Posted 17 September 2015 - 05:36 AM

Bump, anyone have any more input on this? Trying to get my questions answered by Sunday so I can pick up where I left off with tuning. My buddy wants my car out of his garage lol.

EDIT: I'll be driving the car back home Saturday morning. If anyone viewing this has any suggestions on how to make the existing tune safer that'll be fine. Obviously I know, no boost, no higher rpms, minimize load as much as possible etc, make sure the car is fully warmed up before I leave, etc but if there are any simple changes I can make that'd be much appreciated. I will leave the fuel pressure as is until I get the car home as the tune is functional right now.

Edited by polarisman14, 17 September 2015 - 01:03 PM.

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 11:50 AM

Been trying to reach a couple folks, so will try here. I need tables, if someone has them, for a stock setup. Mine happens to be an 88 Quest TBI, with Trilogy replacement injectors.  VE, ignition, warmup, injection strategy (staged, etc). I will be locking the distributer as per forum write up.
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Scott got back to me and fixed :)

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