bboy1 Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 I know some of us are really into the 2.6 in out conquests, but Ive been plagued with constant spun bearings for the past 5 years and the dilema of MPI & DOC. So, I have been looking for a alternative to the 2.6 and I found out the 2.4 from a Dodge D50 or Mighty Max might (95% chance) bolt up to our tranny with no mods!!!! (US D50/M Max Trannys have the same part numbers as the Australian 2.0 / 2.6s) Im pretty sure the US and Aussy Starquest Trannys are Identical. Now you might say why the hell would you swap our 2.6 for a 2.4. I found out that a 2.0 DOC Turbo will mate with a 2.4 Block... you just have to plug 5 water passages which are not used on the 2.0 head. So Im looking for some input on my dream of having a JDM 2.0 head on a stroked 2.4 block with all the mods available for a 2 gen eclipse. Im just sick of constantly rebuilding for minimum benefits. Bobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWD4G63 Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 I'm pretty sure all the 2.4 rwd motors are the wide bellhousing in which case it would bolt up to your starion tranny then you can bolt on a 2.0 head to that. However the rwd 2.0 motors are the thinner bellhousing pattern therefore will not bolt up to your tranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy_85stariones Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 Keep us posted on that combination -- 2.4L block with 2.0L DOHC head. The only other combo that I've heard -- Australian SOHC 2.0L block with 2.0L DOHC head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quest4Power Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 there are a lot of DSM guys running some version of the 2.4L block/2L head hybrid deal, but they are running a 4G64/4G63 hybrid. it would be interesting to see this happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSIBoy Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 damn, now you have me extremely interested in somethin like that. ;D I may try that if you have a good experiance with that motor, sounds bad a**. Any hopes of a 4g64 ever turnin 7,500-8,000 rpm? If so that would be a completely awsome set up for autocross/road race like my project starquest is goin for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bboy1 Posted April 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 Check out this link.... http://www.carotica.com/4g64/ I also think a few rally evo's use a 2.4 stroked with a 2.0 DOC head. I would try it now if I could find a 2.4 D50 / Mighty Max Block. Im from chicago and most of our Yards dont keep a good inventory and every yard that does wants $500+ for a long block. Its really hard to get a short block around here. I wish I could get one @ $100 then I could check the bolt patterns. If im right, I think I could build a Bullet Proof Block for under $800 capable of holding 650 HP easily with that hybrid combo. Granted Im not figuring in the head work and fuel management. But Im sure it will be more reliable and cheaper and more powerfull than a full tilt 2.6. Why spend $7K for 400-450HP when you can get more for half the price. Bobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conquestpa Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 Very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_T Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 All the mit 2.4 engines use the 2.0 bolt pattern for the trany. All the blocks are dilled and taped for FWD and RWD The Hyundia 2.4 is the same Mit engine . And if you can find a Dash engine They are stock 197 HP and with a 2.4 block should be capable of 300 to 350 hp fairly easy. Have fun Mark T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPaus_88TSi Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 Along with the water passages needing to be blocked/welded. The timing chain tensioner needs to be addressed also. I think it's as simple as getting a different timing chain cover, because the DOHC 4G63 head has a tensioner that sticks out a little bit. The pluses for this engine are as follows: according to DSMtalk. com, the 2.4L has no indications of failing due to " crankwalk ". The less overall rpms are a good thing in my book. I feel that your engine is more prone to fail if spun fast. ie.. revved past 7500rpms. I know i'm gonna get questioned and flamed for this, but screw it. Now, i'm sure that every single StarQuester here LOVES the torque that's made from the G54B. Hey, I love it too. How about Torque "AND" reving ability? With the 2.4L DOHC swap, this is highly obtainable. Reading through the archives on dsmtalk.com, I learned that you could pretty much make this combo happen for about 1600 bucks. I'd put away 4600-6600 for the full build and swap, including the tranny. The only thing really holding me back, besides money, is that i'm not sure what tranny would fit and be the best in the long haul. On a side note, there has been, and still is a few 2.4L DOHC motors that have been stroked or probably bored, to 2.7L. That's some good stuff. There was also no crankwalk or any other engine problems to speak of, as of lately. Not to preach or anything, but EVERYONE knows WHY our cars are " limited ". I use the word limited very loosely. One cam. We can get MPI, and pretty much anything else. But, where's the love man?!?! The love comes from an extra cam :-* John Not hatin', just elaboratin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TainterRacing Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 If you want Rpms why not destroke the 2.6.... But even the 2.6 can rev up past 7K when done right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPaus_88TSi Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 Rpms don't really matter to me, and destroking the engine isn't an option. I want a Big a** four cylinder with two cams.( 2.4-2.8L ) That's the whole reason i'd rather stay with the 2.6L than to go with a 4G63T swap. I don't care to rev that high really. However, with the dual cam 2.4, I can safely stroke it to 2.7 liters. There's not even any oil squirters for the pistons in their engines. They don't need them, so they say. I'd like to have them anyway. But, there's clearance issues.... ??? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexer Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Wow, so can it be done. If it can then I would just buy a mighty max truck past the 90's with the 2.4l and do the mods to put the top half of a 1g eclipse motor on there. Any more info on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmendeol Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 I did some looking around on the net and appherently there were two types of G64B/4G64 blocks made, with regards to tranny bolt patterns. One is 12 1/4 inch block, the narrow Eclipse tranny bolt pattern and the 13 1/4 inch block, the wide pattern that bolts up to our trannies. Sounds like an interesting Frankenstein project motor! -Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technology Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Not to preach or anything, but EVERYONE knows WHY our cars are " limited ". I use the word limited very loosely. One cam. We can get MPI, and pretty much anything else. But, where's the love man?!?! The love comes from an extra cam :-* the fastest cars in the world have one cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexer Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 I know that the 90's mighty max come with a 2.4 L fuel injected. Can I just keep the tranny and bolt up the top half of a turbo motor eclipse ( G64T ). That would be a SWEET swap :-) Flexer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPaus_88TSi Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 the fastest cars in the world have one cam. O.K well, it seems that we've ventured back into dragrace land..Yippee! I don't and will not ever have a sole drag car, a trailer queen if you will. Never. Fast as meaning what? Quarter mile fast, top speed fast, circle track fast, road course fast? What? Only one of the mentioned are single cam. 1/4 mile fast. But i'll agree, yeah dragsters are fast, they have one cam. Yet the EXTREMELY fast are push rod. Does that mean that we should "downgrade" from our current OHC set-up? Hell no. Why don't we just wait and see what happens in the drag world in the next few years? Yeah, yeah we have the fastest four cylinder in the world. Blah blah blah... And what is Sakura running now? DOHC. Who want's to bet that he'll see mid to high 6's with the dual cams? It can only get better. Eventually, cams won't be needed. That'll be the absolute shiznit. Want your 2.6 to spin to 16000 rpm's? I know I do. If it's reliable. Once again, my life isn't lived on a dragstrip. Nor will it ever be. Ever. I'm looking to mod/fabricate the hell out of my car to achieve total street dominance. For me, the extra cam and way more important, the extra VALVES are a top priority. That's the only thing that's holding us back, as I stated before. We can do the MPI, forged pistons, and the rest. When we finally get to a reliable 550 hp set-up, I will be first or second in line. If I don't do it myself first. What else can you think of that we absolutely CAN'T do? DOHC. Eventually i'd like to have the following set-up: A DOHC 2.7-2.8L 16 valve motor.... Six speed Borg-Warner tranny.... Or a beefy auto... T3 turbo, possibly a T3/T4, 20G etc... FG or CF front clip, fenders, hood, doors.... with a full cage Lexan windows.... Non pop ups with a HID system... The rear suspension needs to be lightened with use of a different material.... 19X11R and 18X9F with 335/35/19 and 275/40/18 tires, of course Z rated.... The point is, my car needs to be reliable every single day without incident. Not a pumped up drag car that makes 5-10 passes before the whole thing needs rebuilt. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJpowerHaus Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 I've actually been dreaming of this swap for months.. I keep going back and forth on it and since I have no $$ I dont have to make up my mind with it. Another reason why this engine would be nice to build up for a Starquest is that if you dont want to keep the SQ you can put it in your new EVO or an old GVR4 or eclipse or just sell it becuase these engines have a good resale value. I want to find more about tranny stuff as all the DSM sites havent covered how to put a RWD tranny on it. Correct me if things have changed, but with this swap you need to buy different rods and pistons becuase the stock compression ratio is around 9, way too high for a turbo. The disadvantage being price the advantage being that its damn near bullet proof. Seriously though. If someone finds what car we can get a block out of that will bolt to the tranny I am in. I'll start in a month. I'll put up some good links sometime soon. Mod for mod it pays off ALOT more than the G54B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 And what is Sakura running now? DOHC. Who want's to bet that he'll see mid to high 6's with the dual cams? It can only get better. Eventually, cams won't be needed. That'll be the absolute shiznit. Want your 2.6 to spin to 16000 rpm's? I know I do. If it's reliable. The limitation of maximum RPM is only a speed bump as far as the valve train. The real limitation of maximum RPM is a function of motor geometry and how often one likes to rebuild their motor. The valve train can already be upgraded to sustain 12000+, but the bottom end would come apart. Once again, my life isn't lived on a dragstrip. Nor will it ever be. Ever. I'm looking to mod/fabricate the hell out of my car to achieve total street dominance. For me, the extra cam and way more important, the extra VALVES are a top priority. Multipurpose cars are what I long for, but usually it makes compromises. You will get an OK drag/road race/autoX car, or you will build a car that will specialize and dominate in one of those classes. That's the only thing that's holding us back, as I stated before. We can do the MPI, forged pistons, and the rest. When we finally get to a reliable 550 hp set-up, I will be first or second in line. If I don't do it myself first. What else can you think of that we absolutely CAN'T do? DOHC. Eventually i'd like to have the following set-up: A DOHC 2.7-2.8L 16 valve motor.... Six speed Borg-Warner tranny.... Or a beefy auto... T3 turbo, possibly a T3/T4, 20G etc... FG or CF front clip, fenders, hood, doors.... with a full cage Lexan windows.... Non pop ups with a HID system... The rear suspension needs to be lightened with use of a different material.... 19X11R and 18X9F with 335/35/19 and 275/40/18 tires, of course Z rated.... This is borderline dragrace/race only setup, and not really a street car. Even if you did make it into a roadrace car, your classing would stick you with people you'd spend years catching up to... not that a challenge isn't good. Not any fun to cruise around in a car that wont roll the windows down, has tons of road noise, etc... Of coarse it isn't my car. I wouldn't lighten the rear either, but the front I would pay more attention to. The point is, my car needs to be reliable every single day without incident. Not a pumped up drag car that makes 5-10 passes before the whole thing needs rebuilt. Aside from 2 or 3 starquests (or starquest based vehicles) and none of those a member of this site... I dont know one SQ'r that has a fast enough car to meet the 5-10 pass wonder class... Yet. Joel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPaus_88TSi Posted May 8, 2003 Report Share Posted May 8, 2003 The noise inside isn't really an issue. I don't know, there's nothing behind the front seats except for two speaker boxes. In the end, there'll be a 8-10 cubic foot ABC box for a 18 inch sub. With either dynamat or Rhino lining underneath the box, as well as up front. Now that I think about it, it's going to be a PITA to build the box in there with a full cage. And a fuel cell... :-/ Oh well, the system isn't a must have.Maybe. I'm not even sure if the car will be raced in a curcuit at all. The main thing is reliability, i'd also like decent gas milage when tuned for it. Which isn't really that difficult. The StarQuest has like a 52/48 F/R split? When lightening the car, I would also stay away from taking weight off of the rear. The rear glass weighs quite a bit, and the hood, fenders and front bumper/spoiler should equalize that pretty well. Plus FG or CF doors, those are right in the middle, so it shouldn't be that drastic of a change. I was also thinking about a full cage that goes up to the front bumper. That would eliminate the size and weight of the fender wells. The inside would have like a 10 or 12 point cage, that's connected at the front door support and run through the firewall. It might even be a 16 point cage that i'm thinking of. I don't know. So I guess the final objective is to be around 2550-2700 pounds without the driver, have different "tuning" modes with the push of a button. For general "around town" driving, then another "level" for honda's ;D, then the all out mode with full boost. And possibly a mode where you dial up the boost as far as you like. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJpowerHaus Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 I just wanted to try something a little different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexer Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 Well, I know the swap has been done on all front wheel drive tranny's because that is what the eclipse guys need. The mighty max of the 90's has a 2.4L with a rwd tranny(of corse), and I think it would be the thing that works for our cars. If it can then I will do the swap. I need to find out if it is the same block as on the galant 2.4's only set up for rwd. ANYONE WANNA HELP WITH THAT QUESTION?!?!? Flexer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 this is what i found : link= http://www.geocities.com/awd92gsx/dse4g64swap.html This is a rough outline to convert a 4G64 SOHC in a 94-98 Galant or a 95-99 Eclipse Spyder N/T to a DOHC using a 4G63 2.0L Cylinder head. The list of parts that you need are: 1 - 2.0L 4G63 cylinder head from a 95-99 Eclipse or DOHC cylinder head from a 95 Galant DOHC 2.4L 1 - MD182292 BELT, VALVE TIMING 1 - MD189399 SPROCKET, CAMSHAFT 1 - MD300439 SPROCKET, CAMSHAFT 2 - MF240051 BOLT, CYLINDER HEAD WASHER ASSEMBLED, 8X1 4 - MD193496 PISTON & PIN ASSY 1 - MD193337 COVER, TIMING BELT 1 - MD198031 COVER, TIMING BELT 1 - MD191813 COVER, TIMING BELT 1 - MD127142 COVER, TIMING BELT UNDER 1 - MD187284 COVER, TIMING BELT UNDER 1 - MD199942 COVER, TIMING BELT UNDER 1 - MF140216 BOLT, TIMING BELT COVER FLANGE, 6X45 1 - MD189436 GASKET, CYLINDER HEAD 2 - MD131417 BOLT, TIMING BELT COVER FLANGE, 6X16 1 - MD308587 ADJUSTER, TIMING BELT TENSIONER (optional, but recommend) 2 - MF140285 BOLT, TIMING BELT TRAIN FLANGE, 12X30 1 - MD189194 PIPE, WATER PUMP INLET This is a preliminary list only, but I believe it to be complete at this time... There are 5 extra holes that need to be plugged off in the cylinder block before putting 4G63 head on. http://www.geocities.com/awd92gsx/4g64holeplug.jpg NOTE: The moth is an option, it is NOT required. If you can find a 2G 4G63 then you won't have to buy any of the timing covers as they can be used off of that engine. I'm not 100% sure if the intake manifold from a N/T 2.4L SOHC will fit, if anybody knows for sure email me, otherwise I can try to find out sometime next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 http://www.barnonemotorsports.com/home.asp http://www.barnonemotorsports.com/viewtecharticle.asp?Id=1 4G64-T DOHC Swap Part 1 Created: 10/21/2002 Updated: 12/28/2002 Author: Clay Wilcox -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parts List All prices were what our customer paid for the parts, either from an individual or the dealership. With that in mind, understand we have no idea what prices you will pay for these parts. All new Mitsubishi parts were purchased from Lewisville Mitsubishi at 1-877-653-9648, just ask for the Club DSM price -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downloadable file 4g64sohcdohcpart1.pdf Part Number Description Vehicle Price Condition Aftermarket - DOHC Head (Rebuilt) 2G 4G63-T $335.00 Used MD335754 Intake Cam 1G 4G63-T $25.00 Used MD128973 Exhaust Cam 1G 4G63-T $25.00 Used MD302898 *Actual One We Used* Intake Cam Sprocket 2G 4G63-T $10.00 Used MD170799 *Actual One We Used* Exhaust Cam Sprocket 2G 4G63-T $10.00 Used MD300439 *Suggested* Intake Cam Sprocket GALANT 4G64 DOHC $17.50 New MD189399 *Suggested* Exhaust Cam Sprocket GALANT 4G64 DOHC $16.49 New MD182292 Timing Belt GALANT 4G64 DOHC $73.90 New MD308587 Timing Belt Tensioner 2G 4G63-T/2G 4G64 $61.07 New MD182537 Timing Belt Tensioner Pulley 2G 4G63-T/2G 4G64 $19.33 New MD156604 Timing Belt Idler Pulley 2G 4G63-T/2G 4G64 $24.58 New MD349347 EVO Metal Head Gasket 2G 4G63-T $67.00 New - Turbo Oil Return Line 1G 4G63-T $10.00 Used - SS Turbo Oil Feed Line 1G 4G63-T $25.00 New - Turbo Water Feed & Return Lines 2G 4G63-T $25.00 Used - Ported 14b Turbo 1G 4G63-T $190.00 Used - Exhaust Manifold 2G 4G63-T $100.00 Used - O2 Housing 2G 4G63-T $60.00 Used - Dejon Intake Pipe 2G 4G63-T $75.00 Used Y - Side Mount Intercooler 2G 4G63-T $50.00 Used MD315315 Fuel Pressure Regulator 2G 4G63-T $15.00 Used - Fuel Rail 2G 4G63-T $25.00 Used - Upper & Lower Intercooler Piping 2G 4G63-T $200.00 New Y - J Pipe for 14b 1G 4G63-T $70.00 New Y - Crushed Blow Off Valve 1G 4G63-T $50.00 Used - Intake Manifold 2G 4G63-T $50.00 Used - Water Pump 2G 4G63-T $50.00 New Y - Thermostat Housing 2G 4G63-T $30.00 Used - Upper & Lower Heat Shields 2G 4G63-T $40.00 Used - Water Pipe 2G 4G63-T $10.00 Used - Oil Pan 2G 4G63-T $40.00 Used - Balance Shaft Eliminator Kit 2G 4G63-T $40.00 New - Throttle Body 1G 4G63-T $52.00 Used MB906428 Upper Radiator Hose 2G 4G63-T $5.54 New MB906429 Lower Radiator Hose 2G 4G63-T $6.96 New MR162454 Heater Hose Kit 2G 4G63-T $12.92 New - Radiator and fans 2G 4G63-T $50.00 Used - Air Filter & MAS Adapter 2G 4G63-T $65.00 New Y - Cam Angle Sensor 2G 4G63-T $10.00 Used MD141510 Knock Sensor 2G 4G63-T $70.00 New MD313819 Front O2 Sensor 2G 4G63-T $75.00 New - EEPROM ECU 2G 4G63-T $225.00 Used - 450cc Injectors 2G 4G63-T $50.00 Used MD172146 Resistor Pack 2G 4G63-T $25.00 Used MD184230 Coil Pack 2G 4G63-T $50.00 Used **Note if vehicle type is 2G 4G64, you can use your stock part if you do not want to replace it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downloadable file 4g64sohcdohcpart1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted May 9, 2003 Report Share Posted May 9, 2003 http://www.carotica.com/4g64/ real good site lots of info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPaus_88TSi Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 I just emailed the guy who built that car. Another cool guy, and he lives near me. Anyways, I told him about the swap into a Starion. He says the engine mount locations are the exact same as the 4g63. I'm gonna try and get a ride with him sometime in the near future. Another good thing. The 94 Mitsubishi Galant came with the 4G64 BUT, It was DOHC to begin with! He says, good luck on finding one though. It can't be that hard, can it? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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