importwarrior Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 well i failed inspection here in Virginia.The reason is no EGR Valve. my car never had one since before i purchasedit.i do have an EGR and can install it butall the related items including the Charcoalcanister and thermal valve are gone. I wantto go MPI and don't know how i will ever passonce that is complete. anyone in Northern Virginia have any advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FijiPhil Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Move a little south I don't know how people in nova deal with the traffic and all that.. it kills me every time I'm up there haha. In all seriousness, I don't know as my county dosent have emissions. I don't know if this is feasible but I have heard of people getting a PO box in a neighboring county and registering their vehicle at that address to avoid emissions. I have no clue how legal that is, or even how well it works 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly roger Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 When i lived in Va and got inspected they didn't give a damn about a EGR valve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FijiPhil Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Jolly roger where at in va? From my understanding its only in northern va that does the emissions bit. Here we just have visual inspection for a cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live2Quest Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Move to a smaller town where the libs dont have control of your ride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy2222 Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 it's simple to fix.. just sell me your car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly roger Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Jolly roger where at in va? From my understanding its only in northern va that does the emissions bit. Here we just have visual inspection for a cat. I lived in Virginia Beach and Norfolk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly roger Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 I'd smack some of teh stuff back on so it pass's the visuals.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbrad511 Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Can you register it as a classic/antique and bypass the inspections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spadey Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Print out a sticker online and get some clear tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper1355 Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 The bit about a PO box might work... I know it does here in CO, its how I plan on getting around emissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 How about just putting all the emissions stuff back on? Charcoal canister is no big deal, egr and hoses. I realize people remove them to declutter the engine bay, but the canister is really tucked in, I don't see how that's a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntercooledFlatty Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Pretty sure if you are mpi running MS you can tune to pass inspection, then go back to your balls to the wall tune after inspection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convette Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Go to a different shop, throw them some cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjohnson Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 I 2nd that live2quest .do the po box thing, and try to get it registered as a classic/antique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidjc Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Pretty sure it's like Maryland... "A SCAM!" It never really has to pass emissions, you just have to prove???, that you have spent $500 in an effort to get it to pass, then it is waived. However, in Maryland: if a car is 20 years old or older, it does NOT have to do emissions, it's waived! Check into it, as they continued to send me the emissions slip, even after the car reached the 20 year mark. I just went in, explaind the law, & they never bothered me again? GL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edde Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 You cannot get around it or fool it or pay someone, the computer tells DMV your car fails before the tech even tells you. You MUST either reinstall the egr or re-register the car about 30 minutes to the west of you where emissions is not an issue. Obviously you can't even renew your tags until this is corrected. I can help you if you need a few pieces like a thermovalve. Don't have any spare canisters. Not sure if you need anything more than the working egr really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw458 Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 If it's just a quick test you don't need the thermovalve. It's only function is to prevent EGR and evap canister from working when the engine is cold. Why not put the EGR back on? Taking it off does nothing to add performance. It's only on during cruising to lower combustion temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edde Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 If it's just a quick test you don't need the thermovalve. It's only function is to prevent EGR and evap canister from working when the engine is cold. Why not put the EGR back on? Taking it off does nothing to add performance. It's only on during cruising to lower combustion temps. Pretty much. They sure aren't testing it cold. The only concern from there would be visual - if the guys even know what they're looking at on this old beast. The test is pretty thorough as they go... egr, gas cap, limits on 3 different rpm ranges, like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted September 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Thanks for all the help.I just got a EGR and will bolt it on, the funny thingis that i have no EGR on the car and the manifoldholes for EGR are actually welded shut. so if theEGR was on or off does not matter it still will notfunction.I will look in to classic and or antique plates.PO Box is another thought for sure.Thanks Again for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 a simple drill a hole in the weld will make the egr valve work again , as stated there is no performance gain from removeing the egr valve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edde Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 I hope I'm wrong BUT I sort of think the EGR must be operational to pass? Not sure at all if the system can tell but I sort of assume so. Might have to ask my inspection dude. Need to see him on my volvo anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edde Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Indeed I just looked up antique plates:Gasoline powered passenger or property carrying vehicles with a model year that is more than 25 years old before January 1 of the current calendar year.As an example, vehicles with a model year of 1984 are exempt from emissions on or after January 1, 2009; vehicles with a model year of 1985 will be exempt from emissions on or after January 1, 2010.Vehicles 25 years old or older qualify as antique motor vehicles but are not required to display antique license plates to qualify for the emissions exemption. Although exempt from the emissions inspection, the $2 emissions fee is required when renewing these registrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw458 Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 I hope I'm wrong BUT I sort of think the EGR must be operational to pass? Not sure at all if the system can tell but I sort of assume so. Might have to ask my inspection dude. Need to see him on my volvo anyway. Yes. EGR lowers combustion temps. High combustion temps = high NOX emissions. High NOX emissions = failed smog check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jszucs Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 ^ Yep that is how they check. Now if you can still keep your numbers down you can still pass. Also if you have already been flaged as failed, you cannnot just get a historical, collector ECT and then not have to take it. You would have to make it pass and then you can get your historical collector ECT. Atleast in OH it works that way. My dad is in that boat right now, which is a total joke, but it is what it is. Told him to not even test it, or sell it to me and ill sell it right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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