natallica Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) I've been tossing around the idea of purchasing a wideband. I know, I know...I've been in the game long enough to have bought one of these already. But my primary concern was getting the car "stable", using my cash for that at first. Now I think I'm to the point where I need to know whats going on when stumbling and poor idling etc. occurs. I've been searching around for the last 3 hours or so trying to decide which system to go with. I'm not worried about modding, and MAF translators and all of that stuff any time soon at all. Just a quality, nice looking easy to understand system that I can get a handle on AFR for troubleshooting. InnovateAEMPLXProsport EVO Any Input would be great guys. I've searched through the threads, but didn't really find what I was looking for Thanks-N8 Edited October 19, 2012 by natallica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88-cnqst-tsi Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 i have heard these are good http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php not to to pricey and it comes with a good O2 sensor and some extra face plates and stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasQuest Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 AEM is the best bang for the buck by far. Very good quality for the price. Innovate is a very good one too for a little more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr-starion Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 ive had great success with the prosport evo, same price as the aem but with a newer bosch sensor i believe. no stutter and works like a real digital guage should. going to be ordering an egt guage and fuel pressure guage from them aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsolete Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) I have the Innovate MTX-L and love it. Cheapest place I've found for them is eBay. Edited October 19, 2012 by obsolete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metric-man Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) I was browsing around amazon tonight looking at toolsand I came across a OBD2 scanner that uses wireless. I was like for 14.99? it was just the port tranciever but I thoughty that is getting cheap. Why don't they have a wide band that is wireless? I did a search and it is coming but it won't be for a while,but when it does the price of wideband wired productsIMHO are going to take a major drop. I take that back they're here but it will be a coulple years before that wired prices go downSo get something 1/2 priced or used if you can or just wait a year or two. Or go wireless now Edited October 19, 2012 by Metric-man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jszucs Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) being your not worried about modding, no MAF trans ect how do you expect to make corrections if you do detect / log something? If your just looking at it for the idea of keeping an eye on stuff to watch if something is out of spec and then making the repairs... I can see that. That being said it sounds like you don't have other logging abilities so chose one you can log with also. Most of those will allow you to feed other sensors too. This is nice because you can then also add things like EGT, oil presure, water temp, air temp ECT ECT.... but again. without a way to make adjustments kind of pointless. And if your not thinking about modding it, or turning up boost / pushing it.... what do you really need to keep an eye on? And by your list I would choose the AEM. Edited October 19, 2012 by jszucs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19cturbo Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I run the AEM, i have not had any issues out of it yet, ive heard of more issues with the innovative than the AEM.. ive not had experience with the others though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natallica Posted October 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 being your not worried about modding, no MAF trans ect how do you expect to make corrections if you do detect / log something? In all reality, I said that because I know nothing about it... I have a hard enough time making the car run properly with mostly all stock parts. I keep chasing my tail as far as TPS/ISC, CTS, LSP Injectors yada, yada, yada.Everyone asks "What are your AFR readings during sputter", then says "WHAT, you don't have a wideband, there's the problem...step 1 get a wideband!"(or at least a narrowband) so you know what it's doing and when it goes rich/lean. That will help immensely" So I figured, I'd look into one. For troubleshooting purposes.If I have to, I'll do some research and learn some things and maybe add some of the other items if needed, but as of right now... She doesn't run 100% and I'd like to have some idea as to what to look into.-N8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomofwd Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I've had experience with 3 different Innovate Lc-1 units and had nothing but trouble with all 3 on different cars, multiple free air calibrations that lasted an hour or less, errors and one complete failure two weeks in. I ran an AEM on my personal daily driver for nearly two years and never had one single stutter, error, delay or issue. I then resold it for 15 less than I paid new on Ebay. I was skeptical given that some of AEMs parts in the past were more show than go but the electronics/guages are stellar. I've also had experience with the truboost and two other AEM widebands (one digital, one analog face) on a car I have tuned and they were solid too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technology Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Does the AEM have a 0-1v scaled output for a stock computer? My PLX does, though my ecu reads wideband, so I don't need it, but for a stock car, I'd definitely use one with this feature. The PLX hasn't ever had a problem either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomofwd Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 The AEM has a selectable 0-1v or 0-5v output as well as a serial output. However it can only do one of the two voltage ranges at any one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarquestRescue Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 The aem is user friendly and will do the job. I recommend using a heated narrow band for the factory o2 input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliber308 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 AEM UEGO. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technology Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 SQR, why not use a wideband with a dedicated narrowband output that is scaled to the wideband signal? It would be way more accurate than a standard sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsolete Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 SQR, why not use a wideband with a dedicated narrowband output that is scaled to the wideband signal? It would be way more accurate than a standard sensor.This is how I have my MTX-L set up. Works well with the stock ECU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMNDSTAR87 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 (edited) I use an Innovative LC1 and the only issue I ever had was my own fault due to a poor ground. It has the ability to be recalibrated witch is a big plus in my opinion.With a couple add ons it can also be used to log if u ever decide to do so.gig out Edited October 20, 2012 by DMNDSTAR87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polarisman14 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 AEM UEGO here, been using it for 4 years with the same sensor and it still works as well as the day I got it, no issues. On my MPI'd starion it's my only O2 sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creakyjoints Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Zeitronix. If you can live without the factory clock you can do this. http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j442/creakyjoints/Zeitronix%20wideband%20install/IMAG0213.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spadey Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Zeitronix. If you can live without the factory clock you can do this. http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j442/creakyjoints/Zeitronix%20wideband%20install/IMAG0213.jpg I got an aem. I got the analog style and its nice and I herd nothing but good things about them.But I must admit creaky's looks bad tail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacMan Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Put an MTXL into a friends skyline, easy install, works perfectly so far... I went out and bought an LC1 after this, as i was quite impressed, but I didn't want the gauge, just the 0-5v output. Havent installed it yet. I've heard good thing about the AEM units from heaps of people too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natallica Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Cool, just tossing around some ideas on things I should have. Need a 16G first, my 12A is a turd! -N8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESIrType? Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I went with the innovative LC-1 years ago. I've been happy with it and it's been trouble free for me. One of the reasons I went with it was the cost of a new WBo2. It uses a common WBo2 that can be purchased cheaper than a new NBo2 (at least last I looked). Also it has dual outputs. So I used the second output to simulate a NB signal and stayed with my NB-AFR gauge. Only it reads accurate versus NB. Shawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polarisman14 Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Yeah, the AEM one also uses a Bosch O2 sensor which I believe last I checked was about $60 for the replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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