averse Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 http://www.modernreaders.com/why-the-2015-ford-mustang-ecoboost-is-a-big-fat-faker/11199/ed-jones "That’s right – it’s been officially confirmed that the EcoBoost model of the 2015’s most iconic musclecar is a big fat faker. In order to preserve that incredibel (sic) engine sound we all know and love, Ford has resorted to amplifying it through the car’s speakers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natallica Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Maybe to be even more impressive, they can install external speakers as well. -N8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryquest Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Many modern cars have a similar features to amplify engine sound such as the FRS to BMW M5s. I personally find it kind of dumb but its not too uncommon these days to find a car that uses pipes or speakers to amplify engine sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMeyerhoff Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 I"m surprised Mazda didn't come up with this. Zoom, zoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) ... this is surprising? Almost every modern sports car has this. Hell, the BMW M5's pipe the engine noise through the speakers and have done so since 2008. It's a result of cars being built to be quiet on the road. Edited September 28, 2014 by Fanta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiplee Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 The new M3 does it, too. Almost universally, people are turned off by it right up until they first experience it. Then they love it. I've driven a car with active sound and it doesn't bother me at all. It makes up about 3% of total engine sound on BMW's. It's really a natural progression for cars in this category, just like computer controlled valves in the exhaust to make it whisper quiet on cold start or in comfort mode. It's a way of making the car behave like a jack of all trades. In Sport and Sport+ the new M3 exhaust is loud. It crackles and burps like a race car. In comfort you can carry on a conversation with ease, and you won't wake the entire family (or neighborhood) leaving for work at 6AM. If you want that Eisenmann and Acrapovic will be happy to collect $4500 for an inferior catback that removes all of this engineering wizardry you paid so much for in the first place. And people line up to do it, but I tend to embrace technology until I experience it for myself. If the technological innovation does something for me better than I could do it myself (DCT trans for example) then I'm all about it. If active sound lets me experience a more visceral ride than I'd have without it, that's fine, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creakyjoints Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) It is a joke! The newer Merc's with the v8 don't have that garbage and sound completely beast under full throttle. Oh and it's quiet at idle and cruise with no piped in sound. Feel sorry for those who think it's ok for a performance orientated car. Edited September 28, 2014 by creakyjoints 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINASQ Posted September 28, 2014 Report Share Posted September 28, 2014 Geez you guys are a narrow opinionated bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averse Posted September 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 I dunno, I still don't buy it. Looks more like a classic case of castration anxiety to me, hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiplee Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) It is a joke! The newer Merc's with the v8 don't have that garbage and sound completely beast under full throttle. Oh and it's quiet at idle and cruise with no piped in sound. Feel sorry for those who think it's ok for a performance orientated car. And the performance merc's haven't had an engine upgrade since 2008. I get your point. You can't touch real V8 sound with the speakers, but you also can't touch 6 cylinder turbo efficiency with a V8. In BMW's case, the engineering goal is to provide the most capable car with the fewest compromises possible. They've delivered in a huge way with the new M3; a 40% increase in torque, similar HP, and vastly improved fuel economy in a larger and lighter car. To do that they gave up the amazing S65 V8 noise. That is an important part of the driving experience, but manufacturers have to move to more efficient cars to attract buyers who could be tempted to get a tesla or something. Active sound is your engine's actual noise piped into the cabin, not a sound track. Not sure what ford's version does. Just saying why I think it stands to reason that auto makers would go this route. Edited September 29, 2014 by chiplee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Ford's, so far at least, have a sound tube that runs through the firewall ( that can be deleted ). My 08 Miata has a sound tube, the Focus and Fiesta ST's have them, BRZ/FRS, etc - basically, car engines now are so freaking quiet that they pipe the noise in at higher RPMs where people do most spirited driving. My friend deleted his on his Focus ST and you can't hear neither the turbo nor the engine. He put it back in. My Miata has it to give it a bit more of an induction noise when under WOT. Even the Porsche 911s and Lexus LFA have some form of this. Hell, the McLaren MP4-12C has it! Heck, the Renault Clio RS( one of the best selling hatches overseas ) lets you choose what you want your car to sound like - be it a GT-R, or a motorcycle from the 70s. http://www.caranddriver.com/features/faking-it-engine-sound-enhancement-explained-tech-dept Basically, it's the current trend of technology, meeting the demands of the consumer who like Chip said, wants a car that's quiet cruising, but when you romp on it it gets louder, even if the car itself was engineered to be damn near silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmyers151 Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 Regardless of how it sounds, a 2.3T Mustang is certainly on my radar. http://youtu.be/Kulx2AfNZuY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntercooledFlatty Posted September 29, 2014 Report Share Posted September 29, 2014 meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSQuest88 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 My brother - in - laws new volkswagen gli has one of these "performance sound" amplifier box thingys in it as well. Never knew they made these til I went for a ride in it and asked why his gli sounded like it had a boxer motor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw458 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Regardless of how it sounds, a 2.3T Mustang is certainly on my radar. The new fiesta now comes turbo @ almost 200 hp. Should be pretty peppy for a 2700 lb car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmyers151 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Yeah, a Fiesta ST is also something I've been very strongly considering. Problem is, they're either selling so quickly or building so few that I can't actually find one local enough to test drive. I had to approach a guy in the parking lot outside his business just to get a close look at one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucw458 Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Hopefully that shows Ford what people want. A smaller fuel efficient fun car. Make the ST AWD and give it the 310hp mustang engine and it will sell fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GINASQ Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Um they're going to do the Fiesta and Focus in an RS trim. Which will be ecoboost awd 6sp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creakyjoints Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 AWD Fiesta? 300HP? I'm in! Well if I can fit into it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jszucs Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 It's a total joke. 1st issue stock speakers SUCK BALZ even the good upgraded one's people pay for. They have no way to properly tune the slope, and most use just flat out htz range blocks (physical or digital) rather then a real tunable X over. next issue is the one's that not only use a noise pipe into the motor bay but the force induction one's that physically have a Y pipe in the intake track after the turbo / supercharger.... that is just all that much more area that you have to fill with boost pressure you are wasting rather then cramming into the motor. My GTI came with this, and it's UNACCEPTABLE and one of the very first things to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_C. Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 It all stems from the needs of the male ego. Normally the guys with money to buy sporty cars, also have an ego the size of Texas. The car makers figured out a long time ago, that feeding that ego sells cars. So as stupid as it sounds, piping in bogus engine noises appease the desires of the targeted market. So like sheep to the slaughter, they come running! LoL! Viper owners are the worst that we've found when hanging around drag strips for 30+ years. Any car that is expensive and sporty has a high percentage of owners who have that, "I know everything" attitude. As if their money bought more knowledge than the next guy. What they have is more toys to play with, which does have some learning advantage if you focus in that direction, but it seems few in that realm do. They learn how to destroy rather than how to be a good steward of their cars and make them last. How's that for an opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jszucs Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 (edited) It all stems from the needs of the male ego. Normally the guys with money to buy sporty cars, also have an ego the size of Texas. The car makers figured out a long time ago, that feeding that ego sells cars. So as stupid as it sounds, piping in bogus engine noises appease the desires of the targeted market. So like sheep to the slaughter, they come running! LoL! Viper owners are the worst that we've found when hanging around drag strips for 30+ years. Any car that is expensive and sporty has a high percentage of owners who have that, "I know everything" attitude. As if their money bought more knowledge than the next guy. What they have is more toys to play with, which does have some learning advantage if you focus in that direction, but it seems few in that realm do. They learn how to destroy rather than how to be a good steward of their cars and make them last. How's that for an opinion! If they really wanted to stroke the egos they would put the time money and research into making it faster, or build more overhead into the cars so I can make it faster without major modification to keep it together. The noise stuff is like F&F Ricer stuff. And speaking of the new mustang. Have you guys looked at the numbers for them? WHAT THE HECK HAPPENS after 100 MPH for the turbo one? like "decent" 0-100 time then like FOREVER 100-135? Is it just all gears and falls on it's face after 100? Edited October 1, 2014 by jszucs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 that is beyond silly I can't make you a hot rod but I can make it sound like one . unbeleavable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 If they really wanted to stroke the egos they would put the time money and research into making it faster, or build more overhead into the cars so I can make it faster without major modification to keep it together. The noise stuff is like F&F Ricer stuff. And speaking of the new mustang. Have you guys looked at the numbers for them? WHAT THE HECK HAPPENS after 100 MPH for the turbo one? like "decent" 0-100 time then like FOREVER 100-135? Is it just all gears and falls on it's face after 100? I wonder what the gearing is actually, sounds like maybe 5th and 6th are geared as true o/d highway cruising gears for low rpm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jszucs Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I wonder what the gearing is actually, sounds like maybe 5th and 6th are geared as true o/d highway cruising gears for low rpm. far as I can tell 1st: 4.236, 2nd: 2.538, 3rd: 1.665, 4th: 1.238, 5th: 1.00, 6th: 0.704 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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