pure_insanity Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 ok, ive been reading about this turbo and that turbo, but i havent a clue as to what all those numbers and letters mean. ex. 12a, 14g, 16g, 17c etc. now ive read about a tdo5 exhaust wheel and a tdo6 and a tdo5h wheel. what does all this mean and how does these different sizes of turbos affect h.p. ? please break all this down as simple as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksweet Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 12A is stock-320CFM 14G is next-465 CFM 16G flows 505 CFM 17C flows 550 CFM Super16 flows 550CM 19C flows 550+cfm 18G flows 600 CFM All of these CFM's are at 15ps. The "C" wheels spool quicker but are done by 18-20 psi. The "G" wheels spool a bit slower but flow more at higher rpm's with an 18G good until 25 psi. Go to www.t-racing.com and click on the quest. He gives a good breakdown of the different turbo's. he 05 exhayst wheel is stock, the o5h comes in new turbo's from Mitsu like all of the ones mentioned above. It is only slightly larger. The 06 exhaust wheel seems to be the hot setup right now and is usually put into a machined 05 housing. I hope I made things a bit clearer!You'll see that some turbo's flow the same CFM but it is the range at which they do that, the "C" wheels spooling quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy_85stariones Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 All of those letters and numbers together make up the Mitsubishi model number. The model numbers that are a direct fit on an Eclipse are... TD05H-14B-6CM2 TD05H-16G-7CM2 The model numbers that are a direct fit on Starion is... TD05-12A-8CM2 TD05H-14G-8CM2 The TDnn and nCM2 pieces combined together identify the size of the exhaust (aka turbine) housing. The TDnn and TDnnH pieces identify the size of the exhaust (aka turbine) wheel. The -12A, -14B, -16G, -17C, and etc. identify the size of the compressor wheel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbercb Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 You know another good note to add would be the break point for fuel mods. 17C is about as big as you can go to 15 lbs with no additional fuel mods on a 100% working order stock fuel system. 14G is a very very nice upgrade to the stock turbo for someone wanting more power without the worry of other mods. My car did 194hp with 256lbs of torque with a 14G and a 1G MAS the rest stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksweet Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 www.t-racing.com lists the different turbo's and the levels at which they require additional fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penick000 Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 well, i'm going to throw a monkey wrench in here to see if i can get an answer to something which I can't explain here's is a picture of a turbo that I bought from Chad. It is a tc06-11a and is seen on the right. The SMALLER turbo on the left is the stock tc05-12a. I do not understand why the 11a would have the larger compressor housing. Can anyone explain? Here's the link to the pic incase it doesn't appear for you here. http://www.26liter.us/DUgallery/pictures/tco611avstco512asmall.jpg http://www.26liter.us/DUgallery/pictures/tco611avstco512asmall.jpg pen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88TSI_Rob Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 The fact that it's a TC06 vs. a TC05 would explain the larger compressor housing. The TCXX can/will refer to the compressor housing and can/will refer to the turbine housing/wheel. I included "can" in there because there are cases where you could have an TX05 comp. housing and an TX06 turbine housing matched up or vise versa. The 11a only refers to the size of the wheel ("11") and the blade pattern ("a"). Does that TC06-11a, in fact, have an 06 turbine wheel and housing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penick000 Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 The case is stamped as such so I can only assume, never had it apart. Â It came from the Mitsu Race team back in the 80's. All i really know is that w/ the butt dyno, 5psi on this turbo has more power than 7 psi w/ the stock 12a. The exhaust housing is larger than stock, which makes sense w/ the 06 wheel. Meaning that it's an 06 housing instead of an 05 housing bored out for use w/ the larger 06 wheel. However I still think that fails to explain how or why they would use such a larger compressor housing w/ a mere 11a wheel. Remember now, these are the original stamps on the housing, not machined and re-numbered. pen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88TSI_Rob Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 According to this website the 11a was a turbo available on some(?) '84-'88 1.8L Cordias. So it's not strictly a racing part. http://www.lmsspeed.com/MitsuTurboUpgrade.htm I'm sure there is one or more reasons why they chose this turbo. A TC doesn't use an intercooler so maybe the larger compressor housing had, in some way, a cooling effect on the compressed air versus a TC05. More power at lower boost could provide accleration off of slow corners. Bigger exhaust housing causes less restriction which is good if your running WOT during an endurance race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksweet Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Hey Pen, what's the size of the bore on that 11c? It looks larger than the stock turbo on the left. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penick000 Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 it's quite a bit larger mark. Â Don't have exact numbers because i've never measured it tho. That site is about the only info I have ever been able to find on the turbo. Been prolly a year since I did any searching, but only thing i can suppose is that it is not very common. They musta had some reason for the design. Sure doesn't fit the general scheme. pen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksweet Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 If you measure it we can comare it to what's available rtoday. It must flow a fair amount more than a 12A.Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penick000 Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 If you measure it we can comare it to what's available rtoday. It must flow a fair amount more than a 12A.Mark Prolly be a week and a 1/2 before i get to the car again, but I will measure it. pen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure_insanity Posted February 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 ok, wait a sec. im lost again. you guys are talking about a tcxx-#%^. whats the tC? ive only seen tD.i realize the xx is just a figurative thing, but the c and d are messing with my head. what gives. grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88TSI_Rob Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 The TC compressor housing was used on the older, non-intercooled starquests. Basically the outlet points straight towards the TBI. I believe it functions just like the TD housings, it just has a different shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coop1er Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Hey there. The compressor wheel of a TC05-12A-6cm2 has an inducer of approximately 40mm, the exducer is approximately 54mm. The compressor wheel of a TC06-11A-8cm2 has an inducer of approximately 40m and an exducer of approximately 65mm. The turbine housing of a TC05-12A-6cm2 has an exducer bore of about 49mm. The turbine housing of a TC06-11a-8cm2 has an exducer bore of about 58mm. On Australian Cordias(1.8 litre), those fitted with a TC06 make 110kw(147hp) @ 6000rpm. Â Those fitted with a TC05 make 90kw(120hp) @ 5500 rpm. I would be interested to know how the specs of your TC05-12A-8cm2 as fitted to your 2.6 starions compare with the TC05-12A-6cm2 as fitted to our Cordias and Starions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksweet Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 The more common turbo for the Starions is the TD 05-12A, 8cm squared and HP ranges around 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metric-man Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 ok, wait a sec. im lost again. you guys are talking about a tcxx-#%^. Â whats the tC? ive only seen tD.i realize the xx is just a figurative thing, but the c and d are messing with my head. what gives. Â Â Â grant Single bearing in the center section of the TCO5 and two bearings in a TD05 http://tinypic.com/24ls2 This illustration may not be the most technically accurate but comparing the design of the two housings (compressor and turbine) the TC05 has a larger compressor opening and a smaller turbine outlet and the TD05 has a more tapered compressor inlet and larger turbine exhaust. Although I have swapped turbine housings between the two models and have not noticed a difference as the illustration suggest. You can also rotate the compressor housing to point the snail in either direction by loosening the band clamp and re- positioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrb1 Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 well, i'm going to throw a monkey wrench in here to see if i can get an answer to something which I can't explain here's is a picture of a turbo that I bought from Chad. Â It is a tc06-11a and is seen on the right. Â The SMALLER turbo on the left is the stock tc05-12a. Â I do not understand why the 11a would have the larger compressor housing. Â Can anyone explain? pen The TC06-11A shown in your picture is the standard factory fittment for Australian 1982-1985 (JA,JB) 2.0 4G63 SOHC Starions. It has the 06 turbine wheel and 8cm2 exhaust housing. As for Mitsubishi's turbo numbering system who knows the logic there? See details http://starion.mrbdesign.com.au click on the "turbo" page. Why you guy's had a smaller turbo on the US 2.6 is beyond me : We only got the 2.0 4G63 SOHC. The 2.0 4G63 SOHC Aussie spec non-intercooled engines are rated at 125kW (167 HP) @ 5500 RPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostinmini Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 What is a 6cm housing or 8 cm housing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksweet Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 I believe it is the volume of the turine housing. fi am incorrect someone correct me or expand on the thought! Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey_Wulf Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 The 6cm or 7cm in the turbine housing is the A of A/R. it's the area at some given point...not sure what point that is. I would like to find out some time, then i could know their respective A/R's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksweet Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 A/R=area to radius ratio. The area of any turbine inlet scroll cross section divided by the distance frm the center of the cross section to the center of the shaft. I wish I could do a drawing but may be able to get a reference to he post I got this info from.Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksweet Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Check your email. grey_wulf. mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiplash Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 The turbo that I took out my 87 Quest has some numbers missing. It has 491_8-017_0. On the other side it shows _05-1__. The _'s are blanks. It looks to be OEM. I would like to show the picture, but I have no web site upload program at this time. Could this be a manf. defect. Or a reman blank? I could e-mail the pic. if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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