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#1 varzaman

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:32 PM

Hey guys, wanted to ask this before I you know.....I make a dumb mistake haha.

I was thinking of buying a Starion from one of the forum members here.

Some background: I live in PA, so typical 4 season weather. From spring to fall I pretty much ride a motorcycle most of the time. I also use the bus. I currently own no car.

I love wrenching and working on my motorcycle. I also like cars. I thought maybe I'd combine the two.

I got this great (probably dumb) idea that since I don't use a car every day all year, I can get a cool older car to fix up and then use that as my sole car. I'll call it a daily driver but not really. More like a semi daily driver. Now I understand it won't be a DD from the beginning, but maybe I can make it into a DD. The challenge of doing that kinda excites me.

It would have to be driven in the snow and during winter, but it can be stored inside a garage.

Tell me why I shouldn't do this.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:27 PM

Varzaman,

I am glad you chose to asked first and before making a purchase. as a whole, I find these cars to be fun, and pleasing to drive. That being said, they are one of the more difficult to get running right, most mechanics wont touch them, and if they did, they usually just make the issues worse. It all basically comes down to you, and what you are willing to endure.

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When these cars are running right, they are a blast to drive, semi reliable, and will not leave you stranded.(usually)  I have a LOT of them, two that i drive alternately every day, and two that get driven EVERY once and while. For the most part I love them, I have names for them, and I get depressed if one is down for any reason.

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First and foremost it MUST be stated that you will NEVER recoup your money out of these cars, or your time. If you purchase one that is not up to par, you will be spending a LOT of time going over literature, (Factory service manual) reading posts on the forums, and asking questions. Then, searching for parts, and troubleshooting wiring problems. But, when the day comes when you can drive it down the street, you will feel a GREAT sense of pride and accomplishment. When you begin to drive it regularly, a fondness grows. And, when someone notices your car and knows what it is, you will find yourself in a conversation with a stranger about how he remembers these cars and you just dont see them any more. Then you are hooked.

So, are you up for the challenge, we are here to help you along the way. But you must have patience, and time, and plenty patience more.

Good luck with your decision, hope to see you soon.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:33 PM

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:38 PM

I think the amount of driving you are planning to do with the car is about right - if you really do truly utilize your bike and bus more.  But, I really think it comes down to your know-how. As mentioned above, not many modern mechanics want to touch these cars, so you're on your own with the help of this community.  If you don't have considerable automotive experience you might be in for a whole lot of regret.  Only you can make that call.  Be patient and waiting for the right car is key too.  Many are just heaps that never went to the scrap yard simply b/c it was a sports car.
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Posted 27 October 2017 - 07:15 AM

If you like a challenge, go for it. Don't expect it to be good in that PA snow though. I did daily one for many years in NJ, snow and all, so it can definitely be done but not easily. If you decide to keep the car rough or don't try to make it too pristine, you'll probably have a better time. Buy a car that runs already though if you don't have experience troubleshooting them.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 08:15 AM

View Postvarzaman, on 26 October 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:


It would have to be driven in the snow and during winter, but it can be stored inside a garage.


A Starion is not a snow-mobile.  The rear ends can get squirrely with drops of water and I don't even want to think about snow and ice.  If PA spreads salt during the winter your 30+ yo car will be Swiss cheese real quick.

If you already have the Starion and need to drive in the snow I understand and that is different.  I would NOT search for a Starion to perform that purpose.  I would say find a Subaru.
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Posted 27 October 2017 - 10:50 AM

View Postvarzaman, on 26 October 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:


It would have to be driven in the snow and during winter, but it can be stored inside a garage.


THAT is exactly why you shouldn't do it!!
Like Eric said, they are no good at all in the snow and the winter road maintenance will kill the car VERY quickly.
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Posted 27 October 2017 - 01:05 PM

Salt is that bad huh? I was hoping cleaning the car often would be enough, but I understand that salt is salt. That might be enough to deter me from this, would hate to ruin a car (the one I'm looking at is in real good condition).

I wouldn't say I'm buying a Starion to drive in the snow haha, just that it would have to be done if I want to go anywhere in the winter.

Even with steelies and snow tires on, still a problem?

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 01:38 PM

Go ahead and get you one....Don't let anyone discourage you from getting one...There are plenty of people from northern states here on this forum...

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 02:09 PM

View PostPreludedude, on 27 October 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

Go ahead and get you one....Don't let anyone discourage you from getting one...There are plenty of people from northern states here on this forum...
So many varied opinions haha. I'll have to weigh them all.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 06:15 PM

If the car is clean and relatively rust free please don't drive it in the winter. The salt will eat it alive. That being said, it would be your car to do as you please.
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Posted 27 October 2017 - 07:09 PM

Toss a half full glass of water at mine and it wants to spin out.

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 12:27 AM

My first quest was a daily.  Drove it through several winters here in PA.  Drove it in light snow and through winter storms.  Its not ideal but doable.  I don't recommend it on a rust free car. In 96 a storm hit east coast and I was driving home from florida in it.  Driving 35-40 on I95 is not and was not fun.
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Posted 28 October 2017 - 07:25 AM

View PostPreludedude, on 27 October 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

Go ahead and get you one....Don't let anyone discourage you from getting one...There are plenty of people from northern states here on this forum...

Yea, but I don't see any of us driving them in the winter.
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Posted 28 October 2017 - 02:15 PM

Alright guys, I've taken the rust issue to heart and won't be getting a Starion as my sole car. I would honestly feel bad if I got a nice old car rusted out due to salt.

Instead I'll be getting a winter beater and a Starion (possibly). New plan. Buy a cheap winter beater, and my dad told me he'd give me an interest free loan to get a nice project car since he still owes me haha.

Now, that takes care of winter. I got some more Starion questions.

So the Starion would be a 3 season car then (and maybe some snow fun :P). Now I use a motorcycle most of the time, but sometimes I'll need to have passengers, I still  need to go buy food, etc. So I'll still call it a semi daily driver, but it doesn't need to be super reliable to start out with. Would obviously be a nice project for me. I ride my motorcycle regardless of rain or shine, but maybe sometimes I don't wanna deal with the rain haha. This is where my next question comes in.

I see some of you talking about the driving dynamics in the rain. Is this due to the RWD nature of the car, or is the car itself just more squirrely than other RWD cars in the rain? Because being able to drive it in the rain is kinda important.

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 09:47 PM

I drive mine in the rain all the time, heavy or lite rain, as long as you drive sensibly, the car will drive well. I do not loose traction in my cars.. Unless i want to :P

that being said, I can not tell you how they perform in the snow, because I flat out will not take mine out in it. I would die if I wreck it, or some A-hole slid into me.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:03 AM

With good tires, rain is not a big problem and snow can be done if necessary but yes, salt is an issue. I used to worry about other people hitting me in it in the snow. I stopped driving mine in the winter when I picked up a cheap truck on Craigslist and decided not to risk it anymore. Having a beater pickup truck is almost priceless.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 10:47 AM

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:09 PM

Do as I say, not as I do. :P
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Posted 05 November 2017 - 05:00 PM

Thanks guys.

I got winter taken care of now :P

So, for spring-fall driving, would you say the platform is reliable enough to be a "semi" daily driver? (Of course assuming the work is put into it to make it a daily and the car itself is in good condition). Any "known faults" with this car?

From what I gather from these forums, at stock boost there isn't anything that is a "major concern", but that is just from me lurking around.




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