OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted September 18, 2010 Report Share Posted September 18, 2010 After consideration Im using my black 88 for the project. now a few have seen my past audio half completes but this will be a chronical from a new start, and more radical ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted September 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 So today I cut sides of the first enclosure trying to figure out where these 6 10 subs will fit with the spare. lol http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010164.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010163.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooljs78 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 looking good u doing fiberglass or all MDF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamipops Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 looks like it may add some weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 no its a mix of mdf fiberglass and i think pvc for the amp rack and cryo 2. maybe even a water feature. as for weight a hundred lbs only equates to about a fraction of a second in a quater mile and being there will be a 2jz swap (hopping for 680hp) it will be just fine for street and occational strip. I was never one for stripping down a car for the sake of speed. for those who do it its fine but a frame with a seat isnt in my book a car. lol I want my heat i want my AC I want my sounds so if i sacrifice a couple of tenths im ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Yeah, the numbers I heard was that 100 pounds equals a tenth of a second on the track. I'm not sure how much I believe that because my system only added 300 pounds, and my car is at least a half second slower, probably closer to 3/4 of a second. I don't really care tho, my car is more for winning audio classes at shows, than going fast. Try and use the MDF where you can. it is actually lighter than fiberglass because it is less dense and uses lighter components than fiberglass matting/resin. Also, where you do use fiberglass, make sure it is at least a 3/8-1/2" thick. Much thinner than that, and the fiberglass will flex which will give you a "looser" box, and couold possibly crack down the road. The fiberglassing I did on my box was more cosmettic than structure. I used MDF for the main box, then used the FG to get the contours I couldn't with MDF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Thanks Burton. Im still figurein out the shape of the boxes. maybe like the orange sony explode demo focus from years ago. and have the cryo 2 rack come up the middle. dont know yet but im fooling around with a water fall idea i saw on a magnum lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 ok had extra MDF so I continued with the workhere are some pics that are self explanitory in photobucket.http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010192.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010193.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010194.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010195.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010196.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted September 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Some more pics. dont know if to make the amp rack "float"http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010199.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010198.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1010197.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted November 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Ok so after many drinks I had to come to terms with scrapping the floating amp rack. Just no space. So the amps will cascade down the center of the back seat. Even now im having trouble with the rear rings and clearence. I think I will have to go down 245/35/16. Speaking of wheel wells, did you guys know the damn wheel well is off center?? there is more "meat" on the drivers side floor. http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1030274.jpg http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/P1030273.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 So the winter has been kiling me (no heat in the garage). after many beers and many cursing fits I have to trash the 6 sub set up and go back down to 4. there is just no room keeping the spare for them. the roof is comming along fine. it was my first time using expandable foam and i must say this stuff is great. pictures to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 So here are the pictures of the roof project.http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2001-1.jpg First lay up some fiberglass on the doner roof.http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2002.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2003.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/betty.jpg Fitting the artwork and speaker ringshttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2004.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2005.jpg After framming out the opening getting ready to spray some expanding foamhttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2007.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2008.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2009.jpg Testing the L.E.D against the two way plexihttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2010.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2011.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2012.jpg Second round of foamhttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2013.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/21611week2014.jpg Rear enclosure re-donehttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/blackpearl001.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/blackpearl001.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metric-man Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Why did you go for a full size spare ? What are you sealing the MDF with, silicone sealant, or just glue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Caught a flat one day and the old system didnt have a spare and that donut wasnt cutting it. so i figured if im gonna loose the space to a tire might as well make it full size. Its being sealed with liqued nails and screws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Keep us updated. I'm wanting to see how this looks in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted March 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 starting to flesh out the roof. Its starting to look like something. http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/headliner001.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/headliner002.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/headliner003.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/headliner004.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I'll wait to say for sure until I see it done before I say much. I know you're going for looks more than sound, but with a little more work and a bigger speaker pod area, you could get a lot better sound. As it is now you don't have hardly any airspace behind those mid drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) The componet set on the roof wont need air space, there is about cup full of volume behind the mids and the tweets dont need it. They are mainly for front fill. There are still a pair of 6 inch 3 ways in the stock door location. and another 3 way set by the rear passenger head and the four subs in the back,trust me the roof is fine. my worry is the 2jz alt after the swap I wonder if it is up to the task even with the extra batt. Edited March 7, 2011 by OBSESSIVE_ENT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 The componet set on the roof wont need air space, there is about cup full of volume behind the mids and the tweets dont need it. They are mainly for front fill. There are still a pair of 6 inch 3 ways in the stock door location. and another 3 way set by the rear passenger head and the four subs in the back,trust me the roof is fine. my worry is the 2jz alt after the swap I wonder if it is up to the task even with the extra batt. Pretty much all car audio speakers need airspace, with the exception of compnent tweeters. A "cup" worth of airspace behind a mid woofer like that just won't be enough. Low notes from those speakers will probably just sound like a bunch of pops, unless you put it on a crossover and run no low range thru it at all. At that point, why even have a midwoofer? It wouldn't be as big of a deal if the speaker placement was different, but you're gonna hear every sound out of it(bad and good) with a speaker that high and close to your ears. Having sound up that high and close will also throw of your staging and imaging. I'm not trying to criticise, just letting you know some info in advance so you can use it to get the best sound if you want. Having spent 3 years doing nothing but custom car audio instals and over 5 years competing in audio contests, I can tell you there are rules you have to stick to in order to have stellar sound. As it is, we often have to find a happy medium between following the rules and having something cool and custom. Sometimes you sacrifice a little sound quality to put some speakers in a really cool place, or to use minimal airspace, but there's always a limit with what you can get away with. I always try to lean a little more to sound quality than for looks, but I think you're probably leaning the other way. That's cool, it's your system to do whatever with, and kudos for trying to do something really custom. I'm sure it won't necessarily sound bad, but with a few tweaks to speaker placement and enclosure size, it could sound great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Hey Burton, mind if I PM you with a couple of audio/wiring SQ questions pertaining to a 12" I have laying around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Hey Burton, mind if I PM you with a couple of audio/wiring SQ questions pertaining to a 12" I have laying around? Nope, PM away! I may not be able to answer you right away tho. I'm about to head out to my part time gig working on RVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Burton, They are not mid bass they are deticated mids from components the eq is set to mid pass for them. As always I placed all the speakers in the locations (except for the subs) before starting they sounded fine and that was free air. in a cockpit that small placement is almost not a worry. If I remember my dj days correctly its a totem pole efffect with sounds lows near the bottom mids mid level and highs toward the sky lol. But again it wont matter much in a cockpit that small. living room maybe concert hall maybe but not there. As for sound my mids dont sound tinny my highs in the three way however when the volume is up cant take it but they are removable we will see. In the end as you say its up to me. My last system you found issue and it sounded great (according to you could have sound better but I was cool with what it was) and this system im guessing will be just as fine if not better (thanks to an extra batt better head unit and better cables). Thanks for the imput though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Though not needed here is a couple of shots with guide paint before i lay the layer of body filler http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/IMG_1343.jpg http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/IMG_1342.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted March 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Ok so this is the first light layer of body filler. I will only sand lightly, its just to get the divits and bumps out, the headliner will be covered in fux ostsritch. http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/headliner005.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/headliner006.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/headliner007.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBSESSIVE_ENT. Posted March 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Extra batt tray. It will be re-enforced with resin I just had to mock up the back board that will complete the tire well in the back. http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/headliner008.jpghttp://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz159/obsessive88/Black%20Betty%20part%202/headliner009.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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