Galant turbo Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Hello everybody, new on this forum but not new in the Starion- or Mitsubishi world. Have been a Starion owner for appr. 10 years.The first one I bought was to rotten out so I bought an other one. They are cheap here, but hard to find, Only about 40 in Sweden. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I am working in an engine laboratory mostly with exhaust emission system but also with turbo conversions of just about everything you can imagine. Probably it is useless to provide a link to a long link on my car on Mitsubishiclubsweden, Where I am one of the moderators buy the way. I´ll do it anyway, but Ianguage might be a bit confusing for you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 http://www.mitsubishiclubsweden.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2827 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 This is where I am at now...http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h42/Galant_turbo/Mitsubishi_Starion/White%20Starion/M70/Prepp1_zpsa7de6bf1.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoCam360 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Wow...very cool. Let us know if you need any parts to complete the conversion. We ship stuff world wide all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 This is gonna be very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Can you see what engine it is? The Starion engine bay for sure had more space for turbos than the organ donor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesey Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Awesome work. Very cool swap idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 To be honest, there might be a different engine going in to the Starion in the end, But I am sorry to say, -It will be an engine from Bayern if there are any purists here. I really want to start a project in engine swappers, -but I am not allowed to do that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psu_Crash Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Welcome! Very cool project! I'll be watching for updates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasQuest Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Very cool! I see it's left hand drive like us here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoFab Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Very cool...best of luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAndBoosted Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 please do keep this updated. another option you could do is something i have mulled over. a saab b234r motor into a starion. there is a bmw e30 m3 out there with the b234r motor in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 great pics!!! lots of room on the sides of the motor for exhaust. http://www.mitsubish...=2827&start=375 http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h42/Galant_turbo/Mitsubishi_Starion/White%20Starion/M70/Prepp2_zps78efea91.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h42/Galant_turbo/Mitsubishi_Starion/White%20Starion/M70/Starion_v12_2_zps86326101.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Wow...very cool. Let us know if you need any parts to complete the conversion. We ship stuff world wide all the timeI have seen your site, -great stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 please do keep this updated. another option you could do is something i have mulled over. a saab b234r motor into a starion. there is a bmw e30 m3 out there with the b234r motor in it.Thank you for showing interest! The Saab b234r is a great engine! But compared to a v12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 The engine on my pictures here are on the M70b50 5 liter V12, from the BMW 750 and 850. I have project car a BMW 750 wit a twin turbo conversion on it.Biggest challenge there was the lack of space, strange enough there is a lot more space in the little Starion! But I am also considering a BMW v8 or an straight 6, the m50/m52 is very popular in high power engine builds here in Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 whats the stock BMW 850 V12 horse power or BHP rated at ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcristquester Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 whats the stock BMW 850 V12 horse power or BHP rated at ?I know it's lower than I expected. Somewhere only in the middle 300's. I was really wanting an 850CSI (closest thing made to an M8, but was disappointed in the HP and bad reviews (maintenance hog)of its V12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) The 850 and 750 with m70 was rated 300Hp, not a reliable engine in any way. But mostly due to electronics people are afraid of them.Lovely engines when they run though, and the sound with turbo on them! Epic! The 850 Csi has a different V12, S70. 5,6 litres and 380Hp. Same unreliable electronics though. There was also the 850 Ci which had the M73, 5,4 litres and 326Hp, that engine was also used in 750 with the e38 body. (M70 was in the e32) Much more reliability in this engine.Perhaps there are differences in US/Euro versions, sometimes there are. Edited January 6, 2015 by Galant turbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 The engine is reliable? Just the electronics are the problem?Would a megasquirt ECU help with reliability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 The engine is reliable? Just the electronics are the problem?Would a megasquirt ECU help with reliabilityI think you will need two Megasquirt, -unless they have developed a system that can handle 12 cylinders. A guy here in Sweden runs an BMW 850 with twin turbos an dual Megasquirts. There are many more sophisticated systems that could run the engine, but they are of course expensive. I would say that the electronics is the big issue, I however think there were some mechanical problems in the USA, the sulphur levels in the fuel you had back then was not healthy for the cylinders. The block is aluminium, and has no steel cylinder sleeves, so there were some corrosion issues. But interesting construction, no steal lining, instead an Alusil surface treatment. The pistons were aluminium but coated with steal! Most other, if not all other BMW engines without steal sleeves had the Nicasil surface treatment, I think that worked better with the sulphur content in the fuel. 10 years ago when I started a twin turbo conversion on a 750, I really read everything I could find about these engines. But one thing that was obvious then was that there were a lot of myths and misunderstandings about the M70-engine. You could never rely on anything from forums etc. The engine management is two separate systems for the left and right cylinder banks, than an other system to synchronize the systems and drive the electronic throttles. I remember in the commercials back from the late eighties, "The new BMW 750 engine has double of everything, -it will never fail!" -could go 200km/h with only one cylinder bank running. I would call it an epic fail, twice the amount of sensors, more than twice the control systems that failed. Funny thing is that when sensors started failing it quite often went in to limp mode and running only on one cylinder bank, -but did it go 200km/h -NO, because the limp system only allowed the throttles to open just so much that the car moved. :mad: Most 750 in Sweden are already scrapped out due to electronic gremlins and/or rust. There was absolutely not bad rust protection on them, but all the small and big problems made them very cheap to buy so people bought the and drove them without taking care about them. We have roads "treated" with salt during the winters also, that is really horrible! After market engine management is the only way to go, at least with turbo or compressor. Otherwise almost all BMW-engines from the 80-90is are great donor engines. The engine wire loom is very easy to separate from the cars wire loom. Anti theft system can often be transferred from the donor vehicle or be taken care of with simple steps. But I would not recommend any one to go the V12-road, -it is a fantastic/terrible engine but in the same way it gives you grey hair and will most lightly put you in the nut house... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galant turbo Posted January 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Sorry about my language by the way, but I hope it is easier to understand my English than my Swedish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
importwarrior Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 your English is fine.Thanks for the informationThe megasquirt 2 or megasquirt 3 can run v12 no problem with just one ECU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyquest Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Welcome to the forums man. It looks like you have quite a project going, can't wait to see where it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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