Jump to content



Drake's MPI swap


  • Please log in to reply
16 replies to this topic

#1 '87quest

'87quest

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Duncan, NE
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 18 May 2017 - 08:05 AM

Well guys I've finally decided to go mpi! I've read through a lot of threads on this topic but I'm sure I'll still need some help/advice so any is welcomed. I recently purchased a hurricane intake and am waiting for that to show up to post pics of it. My plan is to run Scotts new megasquirt system when he gets it finished. The only thing I'm not 100% on is the ignition system. I have what appears to be a locked caravan distributor so I'm thinking I'll run that instead of messing with a crank trigger, just not exactly sure how that distributor will work? I believe I'll need an msd 6al ignition box too.

Will also be upgrading to a cx racing intercooler and making new 2.25" hardpipes. Hoping I can keep the battery in stock location but we will see. Also running a snow water meth injection system so I'm not sure if that will make things like tuning more difficult or not. Well I'll post up some more pics when parts start showing up!

Before pic

Posted Image

Again any advice is greatly appreciated!

Drake

Posted Image


'87 Quest- never ending project






#2 importwarrior

importwarrior

    6 Quests and Counting......

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 17,377 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Manassas VA
  • Interests:Boost = 2KWIK4U
    Starquests
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:06 AM

Scott can answer all your questions for sure!
i have 3 options for ignition.
locked stock Dizzy
Australian Dizzy from a magna. like an eclipse type with cam and crank sensors in it .
crank trigger.

i will let Scott decide whats best and go with that. to me the crank would probably be best.

B-71 87 TSI ~ RIP
Black 87 Starion ~ Mess SOLD!!!
Proud New 89 slightly Rusted Fiji Owner !!!

The Ark was built by amateurs , the Titanic was built by Professionals.


#3 tux

tux

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 988 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:new jersey
  • Model:Other

Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:24 AM

I've got a Magna dizzy laying around (it was brand new, I tried to use with my AEM, never got it to start, AEM said resolution was too low).

If you want it, let me know

#4 '87quest

'87quest

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Duncan, NE
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 18 May 2017 - 03:33 PM

Yes I'm already in a convo with Scott. This is the distributor I have here I believe it's a locked caravan dizzy? It has two wires coming from it.  Will this be good or am I better off going with a crank trigger setup?

Posted Image

Drake

Posted Image

Posted Image


'87 Quest- never ending project


#5 scott87star

scott87star

    Technically Challenged, Daily.

  • Vendors
  • PipPipPip
  • 4,740 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mandan, NORTH DAKOTA
  • Interests:Freezing, thawing, thunderstorms and constant wind.
  • Model:Starion

Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:09 PM

Lots of high HP distributor cars out there and it is the easy thing to start with.  I like the crank trigger for the rock solid timing but that's something you can do easily later.
Now selling true plug and play megasquirt!  Absolutely the best value in stand alone ECU's out there.

I can upgrade your Fuel Injection Pro firmware

Performance Coatings!  Pistons, manifolds, bearings and more!

Now a graduate of EFI University!  www.efi101.com

ECU Vendor link:  http://www.starquest...howtopic=137426

#6 '87quest

'87quest

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Duncan, NE
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 18 May 2017 - 08:10 PM

Cool! If the one I have will work I'll probably just use that for now at least. Goal hp is 400 but not sure if I'll get there with a TD06SL2 18G but we'll see.

Posted Image


'87 Quest- never ending project


#7 Woody

Woody

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 282 posts
  • Location:Australia
  • Interests:Starions

Posted 21 May 2017 - 12:58 AM

I'm in the middle of going MPI. I already have the aftermarket computer running though and I had to change the dizzy for that to the aussie magna one. I highly recommend the magna dizzy.
www.sweetfrostings.com.au

#8 '87quest

'87quest

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Duncan, NE
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 21 May 2017 - 03:58 PM

 Woody, on 21 May 2017 - 12:58 AM, said:

I'm in the middle of going MPI. I already have the aftermarket computer running though and I had to change the dizzy for that to the aussie magna one. I highly recommend the magna dizzy.

Is the magna dizzy different than a caravan one?

Posted Image


'87 Quest- never ending project


#9 importwarrior

importwarrior

    6 Quests and Counting......

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 17,377 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Manassas VA
  • Interests:Boost = 2KWIK4U
    Starquests
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 21 May 2017 - 06:40 PM

The magna is a direct fit.  
The only main difference is that it is like an eclipse crank cam sensor type.
4 wire.

B-71 87 TSI ~ RIP
Black 87 Starion ~ Mess SOLD!!!
Proud New 89 slightly Rusted Fiji Owner !!!

The Ark was built by amateurs , the Titanic was built by Professionals.


#10 tux

tux

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 988 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:new jersey
  • Model:Other

Posted 22 May 2017 - 12:10 PM

Ya it's different than caravan.  It has a Crank and Cam Angle sensor in it.

#11 '87quest

'87quest

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Duncan, NE
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 22 May 2017 - 05:18 PM

What would you guys recommend for me? Is the magna dizzy good to go for 400 hp or would I be better/save money in the long run to do a crank pulley trigger wheel setup? (<-- stupid question but this way would eliminate the dizzy completely right?)

If I'd be better off spending a little more money now and not have to deal with anything else in the future I'd rather do that but I'm not too familiar with all these choices for the ignition system when going mpi. Also would I still need a 6al ignition box with a crank trigger setup?

Thanks in advance

Drake

Posted Image


'87 Quest- never ending project


#12 TexasQuest

TexasQuest

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 8,237 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sunnyvale, Texas
  • Interests:TSi's & VR4's
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 22 May 2017 - 05:22 PM

I would go with a Magna dizzy in my opinion. They're easily obtainable from the Aussie guys and they're relatively cheap.

http://starion.mrbde...m.au/magna.html

Edited by TexasQuest, 22 May 2017 - 05:24 PM.

88 Fiji Blue -Tsi
Zoom clutch, Fidanza flywheel, Stedebani shifter, KYB's, ST springs, ST swaybars, abs delete, a/c delete, cruise delete, JVE, BSEK, TEP steel brake lines, LSP braided cooler lines, CX Racing radiator,  MK1 silicone hoses, MK1 pullies, *DM hard pipes & intercooler,14G turbo, ported exh. manifold, MAF Translator, Turbo XS RFL bov, *DM 3" exhaust, Cusco front strut bar, TEP rear strut bar, Enkei 92's, HKS turbo timer, AEM wideband, AEM boost gauge, AEM oil pressure gauge
Posted Image

View PostJohnnyWadd, on 04 March 2010 - 10:01 PM, said:

my shaft was big i dont know what your talking about.

#13 '87quest

'87quest

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Duncan, NE
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 22 May 2017 - 11:20 PM

Got the manifold today and it looks very good. There are a few things I'm not sure about like the block off plate on the head, only the one vac port on the rear (would it be dumb to weld in a plate with a few more nipples? Or maybe just keep T'ing off the one?) and the coolant passage not connecting to the rear like the original but I'll do some more research and try to see what others have done to make it work. Here's a few pics for you guys

Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image


'87 Quest- never ending project


#14 Matt888

Matt888

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 157 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tampa, FL
  • Interests:Not breaking down in the TSi
  • Model:Other

Posted 23 May 2017 - 02:21 PM

Nice!  Your engine compartment is sweet looking as-is!  I ended up getting a plug and play Megasquirt from Scott and it came with a locked dizzy for the stock setup.  I'm shooting for same HP when I swap over to MPI.  I believe I'm going to go with the Holset HX35 turbo.

#15 '87quest

'87quest

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Duncan, NE
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 23 May 2017 - 04:02 PM

 Matt888, on 23 May 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Nice!  Your engine compartment is sweet looking as-is!  I ended up getting a plug and play Megasquirt from Scott and it came with a locked dizzy for the stock setup.  I'm shooting for same HP when I swap over to MPI.  I believe I'm going to go with the Holset HX35 turbo.

Thanks, fun car as TBI but will be happier with the power and reliability of a nice mpi build.. once I have it all done it'll all be powdercoated to look just as good or better.. and will have a lot of nice TBI parts for sale then too.

Posted Image


'87 Quest- never ending project


#16 TexasQuest

TexasQuest

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 8,237 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sunnyvale, Texas
  • Interests:TSi's & VR4's
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 23 May 2017 - 07:55 PM

Congrats man, those are really nice intakes.
88 Fiji Blue -Tsi
Zoom clutch, Fidanza flywheel, Stedebani shifter, KYB's, ST springs, ST swaybars, abs delete, a/c delete, cruise delete, JVE, BSEK, TEP steel brake lines, LSP braided cooler lines, CX Racing radiator,  MK1 silicone hoses, MK1 pullies, *DM hard pipes & intercooler,14G turbo, ported exh. manifold, MAF Translator, Turbo XS RFL bov, *DM 3" exhaust, Cusco front strut bar, TEP rear strut bar, Enkei 92's, HKS turbo timer, AEM wideband, AEM boost gauge, AEM oil pressure gauge
Posted Image

View PostJohnnyWadd, on 04 March 2010 - 10:01 PM, said:

my shaft was big i dont know what your talking about.

#17 '87quest

'87quest

    Established Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 749 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Duncan, NE
  • Model:Conquest

Posted 23 May 2017 - 08:42 PM

 TexasQuest, on 23 May 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

Congrats man, those are really nice intakes.

Thanks Tex, I've wanted one of these ever since I first saw one like 8 years ago lol

Posted Image


'87 Quest- never ending project





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users